[Mongoose]

Where's our HTL model of that, anyway?

[ssmit132]

minicap.pof

[TrashMan]

too much red glow everywhere.....

[Kolgena]

You probably should have said that sometime prior to 2 weeks after the final release

[Commander Zane]

Been brought up, I even mentioned it, it was addressed. Even so the end result looks better than I originally thought.

[CommanderDJ]

For me, red glow is like dakka.

Spoiler:

NEVER ENUF

[Kolgena]

I think the red glow looks fine. Remember, this thing is the size of a mountain. If it had few, large, glows, the glow spots would have to be massive and look strange.

[TrashMan]

You probably should have said that sometime prior to 2 weeks after the final release

I'm kinda late to the party. I've been mostly lurking latetly, visting far less often than I used to..so..yeah.
I missed it.

I think the red glow looks fine. Remember, this thing is the size of a mountain. If it had few, large, glows, the glow spots would have to be massive and look strange.

I just don't particualary like how it turned out. Looks..uninspired. There seems to be no rhime or reason to how the glows and places and their shape.
Granted, whne it comes to shivan textures, people usually can't come with anything more than "black panneling...with red dots". It feels overused.

[Rga_Noris]

Trashman, can you point to an example of where the red glows are put to better use? Also keep in mind I am recreating the Sathanas, and take note of its glow map patterns.

Also, I am open to changing things, but please make statements that are concrete and specific.

"Looks..uninspired. There seems to be no rhime or reason to how the glows and places and their shape. "

This is pretty baseless. Look at the retail Sathanas. Can you please describe the reasoning behind its red glows? Why are they shaped the way they are? At least mine are coming from designated places and textured in fixtures. V has increased glows towards the front, underside, and trenches. So does mine. I don't doubt that it isn't perfect, but please be helpful. That statement just makes you look like someone who says something purely to "hear their own voice", or otherwise feel important.

[Mongoose]

That statement just makes you look like someone who says something purely to "hear their own voice", or otherwise feel important.

Welcome to the world of TrashMan commentary.

[TrashMan]

Trashman, can you point to an example of where the red glows are put to better use? Also keep in mind I am recreating the Sathanas, and take note of its glow map patterns.

I don't recall such glow patterns on the orginal.
It's hard to be spcific without going over it in detail, something I cannot do know since I'm at work and don have FS installed.

"Looks..uninspired. There seems to be no rhime or reason to how the glows and places and their shape. "

This is pretty baseless. Look at the retail Sathanas. Can you please describe the reasoning behind its red glows? Why are they shaped the way they are? At least mine are coming from designated places and textured in fixtures. V has increased glows towards the front, underside, and trenches. So does mine. I don't doubt that it isn't perfect, but please be helpful. That statement just makes you look like someone who says something purely to "hear their own voice", or otherwise feel important.

Not baseless, but just my oppinion.
Not every post in the unvierse has to be perfect or super-constructive either. If that was teh criteria for posting, the internets would implode.

But to make this simple and avoid draggin this further -  it's a nice model, but it just doesn't do it for me.

B.t.w. - Your statmenet makes YOU look like someone who can't take anything that's not praise. At least when people criticize my stuff, my first reponse isn't to question their character.

Welcome to the world of TrashMan commentary.

f*** you.

[Zacam]

On that note, let's call a break while everybody takes a breather.

Trashman: It would be helpful if you can look at Retail and MediaVP editions compared to this one and see if there is anything more you can come up with.
Take your time, but only if you want to.

While the glow shapes are different, there doesn't seem to be a real rhyme or reason to the disparity in the Shivan glows, there are a few granted conventions.
Rga choose to make ones that seemed to him to fit the space that was created when detailing the carapace and other sections. As with any artistic work, the artist opinion and the opinion of others is often going to differ.

But that it's over-used or uninspired when it's the nature of the species is a bit of a slap in the face, as there is not much canonically that can be done about it. I could say the Vasudan love of BROWN in their textures is uninspired, doesn't change anything.

I'm interested to hear what you have to say if you feel like taking the time to compare Retail/Current/New and go from there. Otherwise, it's what we have, it's been a lot of effort, and I hope you'll still enjoy and appreciate the effort and detail.

[TrashMan]

Of course I appreciate the effort and detail.

But ya know...tastes...

[Rga_Noris]

  I never said it was perfect, or that I would not make changes based on your feedback... in fact, I said precisely the opposite.

What I did ask you to do is back  up what you said. You said there is no rhyme or reason to the placement of the glows, yet you will not provide an example of any such characteristics in other Shivan vessels, largely because as of now, you are at work. What still continues to bother me is that you now admit you do not recall what the Sath's original glow patterns are like, yet you persist it is uninspired?

Your logic does not follow: You say uninspired, I say it is inspired by the retail Sathanas, which you say you have insufficient knowlege of, yet you maintain its uninspired. The fact is that I WANT to improve the Sathanas glow map, I really do. So when I see a comment that states "no rhyme or reason" and "uninspired" I go looking for the source of critique to fix it. With yours, the source is elusive to me, so I asked you to explain (and yeah, I insulted you in the process... but come on, it was a very uninspired critique you gave), which you are currently unable to do.

This leads to believe it is a comment for comments sake, rather than anything concrete.

[General Battuta]

Look, you're dealing with TrashMan, just let it go.

[Zacam]

Battuta: Incitement commentary, not helpful.

Mongoose: Same for you as well.

Let's just try and keep this going in a more civil direction while we can, please.

[General Battuta]

Correct advice, definitely helpful.

[Sololop]

I think a video showing the arms/spines on the back animating would be really cool, if they can do that yet.

[Snail]

Yeah that would be "really cool."

[TrashMan]

What I did ask you to do is back  up what you said. You said there is no rhyme or reason to the placement of the glows, yet you will not provide an example of any such characteristics in other Shivan vessels, largely because as of now, you are at work. What still continues to bother me is that you now admit you do not recall what the Sath's original glow patterns are like, yet you persist it is uninspired?

Correction. I never said I do not recall the original sathanas patterns.

If it really means that much to you, I can try to put a more detailed anlysis on paper, but why you care so much about my oppinion it's beyond me. I'm just one guy, and it seems the vast majority of people here (if not everyone else) have no problems with it. Hence, it shouldn't really be an issue.