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Offline Sololop

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Re: Australia to have women in all direct combat roles
Canada has women in all direct combat roles. No issues here. I think it'll be fine.

 

Offline Thaeris

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Israel is not to be trifled with, and to my knowledge has had no real gender restrictions on combat roles. That said, once a nation sufficiently removes traditional gender roles from the base doctrine which forms the ethos of the armed force in question, this sort of thing should no longer become a shock to anyone.
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Offline Mefustae

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Re: Australia to have women in all direct combat roles
Israel is not to be trifled with, and to my knowledge has had no real gender restrictions on combat roles. That said, once a nation sufficiently removes traditional gender roles from the base doctrine which forms the ethos of the armed force in question, this sort of thing should no longer become a shock to anyone.

Oooh, man. Female Israeli soldiers. There's just something about a woman with a gun that says... corrupt me...


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Offline Dilmah G

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Trying to decide if the timing of this is a little suss, or just  mildly unfortunate. (For those not following Australian current affairs, google 'ADFA Skype scandal').
Yeah, this seemed a little knee-jerk to me as well.

 

Offline Kszyhu

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If you pay attention to nuclear1's past posts and general opinion on this topic, expressed in past threads, it will be apparent that he is being sarcastic.

Well, I've noticed that he's making fun of people seeing this change as a problem. And I think that they might have a point, even if blown out of proportion.

 

Offline Dilmah G

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Oh yeah, I don't think it's a perfect fit either at the moment, and for the vast majority of women, it isn't. But the reasons that hold validity aren't really the 'but what if blokes start covering the girls and not the boys?' arguments IMO, rather, cultural factors within the Army and the difference in physical makeup between men and women causing problems. Who knows, maybe they might find women being better suited to being section medics because of their higher extroversion on average or something?

From memory, current policy dictates that on exercises, women are required to have access to shower facilities and all the rest of it every 72 hours (menstrual cycle being the primary reason, I believe), whereas the blokes are still expected to go weeks without a nice hot one. Obviously, this is going to have to go if women are integrated into Infantry units, but this, as well as things like the difference in fitness standards between genders are some of the larger reasons the culture isn't so conducive to women being in these roles, IMO. They don't exactly foster equality between the genders when there's some groundwork to be done on that front. The first step to attaining actual gender equality within the defence force is to actually make things gender equal, although I believe something like close to half the women in the ADF would fail the basic fitness assessment if they had to perform the male assessment.
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Offline Kosh

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Oh yeah, I don't think it's a perfect fit either at the moment, and for the vast majority of women, it isn't. But the reasons that hold validity aren't really the 'but what if blokes start covering the girls and not the boys?' arguments IMO, rather, cultural factors within the Army and the difference in physical makeup between men and women causing problems. Who knows, maybe they might find women being better suited to being section medics because of their higher extroversion on average or something?

In one way since females are usually shorter and have slighter builds that lends some advantages in urban infrantry combat. Dodging bullets is much easier if there is less of you to hit.
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Offline Dilmah G

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I've never been in urban combat, but I'm fairly sure that urban combat is more 'fix enemy position and break a half-section for the flanking route' than matrix-style dodging of bullets. :P

 

Offline StarSlayer

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I've never been in urban combat, but I'm fairly sure that urban combat is more 'fix enemy position and break a half-section for the flanking route' than matrix-style dodging of bullets. :P

Nah man we can totally train women to be Grammaton Clerics.
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Offline General Battuta

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If a woman can't do all the things a man is required to do, physically and mentally, she doesn't belong there.

And female infantrymen should probably get their periods suppressed.

 

Offline Dilmah G

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I'm surprised that doesn't already happen within the ADF, I've read about it happening in the CDF before. Or it may be happening and I haven't read about it yet.

 

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"And today girls, we're going to learn how to make a Molotov cocktail out of a Sherry bottle...." ;)

 

Offline Nuclear1

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And female infantrymen should probably get their periods suppressed.

You kidding?

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Offline Thaeris

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They call her Bloody Mary...
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"Look on the bright side, how many release dates have been given for Doomsday, and it still isn't out yet.

It's the Duke Nukem Forever of prophecies..."


"Jesus saves.

Everyone else takes normal damage.
"

-Flipside

"pirating software is a lesser evil than stealing but its still evil. but since i pride myself for being evil, almost anything is fair game."


"i never understood why women get the creeps so ****ing easily. i mean most serial killers act perfectly normal, until they kill you."


-Nuke