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Re: GTVA activity during AoA?
Thats just the thing, who's going to convince them? And the fact that a Vasudan Battlegroup is in Sol is enough for me to believe they have truly entered the war. You don't send a Destroyer Battlegroup to cover logistics ships that are operating behind friendly lines in the first place.
 

 

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Battlegroup? The only ships I saw were one Hatshepsut (which is the ship the Admiral came on - for whatever reason), one Sobek, a cruiser and an AWACS. Except for the Admirals flagship that could just be escort for the logistic ship they put in place after the Gef attack.

 
Re: GTVA activity during AoA?
Heres my take on that -
1- If the Admiral's sole job had been to conduct negotiations, and said negotiations had gone sour, why is his ship still in system? He had plenty of time to leave before the end of the campaign.

2- If he did in fact stay on as an escort, why is he operating with such a small force? You dont send Destroyers into theaters of war with a minimal escort, no matter how powerful they may be. They are simply too valuable. Therefore, IMO, its more than safe to assume that the remaining battlegroup elements are present in Sol, and simply were not in Sunglare. It would make little sense otherwise.

And 3- We come back to my original point. Why send a whole damn Destroyer battlegroup to cover a few logistics vessels that will, ideally, never be near the front lines, and have already proven to be near impossible to find once they have begun operations? Simple - you don't. The only reason I can see for those ships to remain in system is as an offensive force.

 

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Re: GTVA activity during AoA?
And 3- We come back to my original point. Why send a whole damn Destroyer battlegroup to cover a few logistics vessels that will, ideally, never be near the front lines, and have already proven to be near impossible to find once they have begun operations?
Well, here's the thing : the UEF has already captured one, and the Gefs assaulted another. The "impossible to find" point seems to be pretty much busted.

Also, we're talking about defending 2-3 logistic ships that are far away from each other. Given the value of those targets (each is arguably as valuable, if not more, than a whole destroyer), sending a whole battlegroup to escprt those doesn't seem too much to me.
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Re: GTVA activity during AoA?
Well, here's the thing : the UEF has already captured one, and the Gefs assaulted another. The "impossible to find" point seems to be pretty much busted.

Two ships. Two ships in a year and a half of warfare, one of which was the subject of Internal Espionage/A brilliant contingency, and the other of which I'm not convinced wasn't simply thrown out there to get that message to Laporte. Thats a pretty good track record, right there. I stand by my points, for now.

 

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I'd say a logistic ship is worth more than a single destroyer. Maybe up to two destroyers. Don't forget that those two Anemois enabled the 14th battlegroup to come through several heavy fights with the Shivans, cut off completely from any other support and repair. In my opinion they were their lifeline and without them they would have been lost (barring some kind of Vishnan intervention).

Without those ships the invasion forces would have to either go back to Delta Serpentis for resupply and minor repairs and thus be unable to keep this kind of pressure on the UEF or they would have to rely on convoys, which are more vulnerable to attacks than the logistic ships.

On that matter: How are the logistic ships supplyed. Are they flying back to Delta Serpentis or do they get stocked up by big (well defended) convoys?

 
Re: GTVA activity during AoA?
I'll give you the cost and overall importance of Logistics ships, but given that they'll be operating behind friendly lines, (which, with the loss of the Wargods, and the possible weakening of the Calder's and Bryne's fleets in the same action, have been made even safer) and the general difficulty involved in actually getting to one, I just don't see a force of this size being purely defensive.

On another note, I'm also curious about the Logistics ship's method of resupply. I dont recall anything in the Techroom about it either. Do they have some kind of Fabrication plant on board or something? Or just really huge cargo bays? I'm also curious about Norbert's question too.

 

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The enormousness of FreeSpace ships means there is lots of room aboard for lots of crazy stuff, including (doubtless) all sorts of manufacturing.

 

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But even so, they'd still need materials out of which they could manufacture the neede parts from. And those must come from somewhere too (unless it's a star trek setting with replicators... which BP thanksfully isn't).

 
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Well, if Logistics ships are capable of producing any parts they need (though I'm probably overestimating the effectiveness of these manufacturing facilities) then it stand to reason that they wouldn't need external resupply all that often, especially now that many of the orbitals and mining facilities in Sol are under their control. Presumably they could just re-purpose any materials they find into items they need. Battle salvage and such. Of course, prior to taking Jupiter they probably wouldn't have had those capabilities, but from the sounds of it Anemoi's can carry more then enough junk to keep a fleet in business for a fair while.   

 

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Well, if Logistics ships are capable of producing any parts they need (though I'm probably overestimating the effectiveness of these manufacturing facilities) then it stand to reason that they wouldn't need external resupply all that often, especially now that many of the orbitals and mining facilities in Sol are under their control. Presumably they could just re-purpose any materials they find into items they need. Battle salvage and such. Of course, prior to taking Jupiter they probably wouldn't have had those capabilities, but from the sounds of it Anemoi's can carry more then enough junk to keep a fleet in business for a fair while.   

During AoA the 14th nearly depleted TWO Anemoi's, which is odd.

Perhaps just because they couldn't conduct mining operations.

 

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Re: GTVA activity during AoA?
There was a ton of rapid jumping, a lot of very nearly getting beam'd to hell by Shivan destroyers, and a couple really big battles the player didn't participate in - for example, the Temeraire's holding action during Forced Entry, which was allegedly even more intense than Forced Entry.

 

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...really big battles the player didn't participate in - for example, the Temeraire's holding action during Forced Entry, which was allegedly even more intense than Forced Entry.

Sounds like it might make for a good coöp mission :drevil:

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