[MatthTheGeek]

Yes, exactly, like was said above. The idea was to generalize it for a role similar to guardianing (ships or subsystems), just more subtle-looking.

[mjn.mixael]

While a single sexp would be handy for that.. I don't think it'd be hard to mimic with current Sexps.

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---Hull %
---SOME%
--ARMOR UPGRADE (can't remember what the sexp is called)
Two or three of these should do it well enough. Of course.. that would be a crapton of events if you did it for a lot of ships.

[Droid803]

Of course.. that would be a crapton of events if you did it for a lot of ships.

when-argument has something to say about that

[mjn.mixael]

Of course.. that would be a crapton of events if you did it for a lot of ships.

when-argument has something to say about that

Good call! 

[Alan Bolte]

Actually, I was looking for a reliable replacement for ship guardian threshold, since the notes on it say a ship can sometimes be killed before it kicks in. I haven't done much FREDing myself so I was under the impression from tutorials that this comes up often enough to be a problem.


Progressive damage resistance would also be cool though - I wasn't clear, does 'big damage' just work like 'ship guardian' for non-huge weapons, or is it progressive?

[MatthTheGeek]

The retail mission Bearbaiting is a good example of guardian failing. The Phoenicia is often killed before the guardian is triggered.

That, however, is something easily avoided by clever FREDing.

[Alan Bolte]

Well, for m!m's ejection seat script he was hoping to avoid messing with the player death code and maybe use guardian or something like it to prevent the player's death long enough for the ejection script to run at say 1% hull remaining (optionally, of course - some mods want the sim-hard feel of manual or unreliable ejection). No amount of FREDing can work around players failing to avoid the beam.

That said though, I went looking for how ship guardian affects the code and I'm not clear on why it doesn't always work since it's sitting right inside the damage application code. I somewhat doubt that the armor table would be any more effective, so I'm probably just derailing the thread for nothing.

[Goober5000]

Actually, I was looking for a reliable replacement for ship guardian threshold, since the notes on it say a ship can sometimes be killed before it kicks in. I haven't done much FREDing myself so I was under the impression from tutorials that this comes up often enough to be a problem.

This shouldn't ever happen, I've never seen it happen, and if it ever does happen it would be a bug.  If it happens to you, post it on Mantis with an example mission.

The retail mission Bearbaiting is a good example of guardian failing. The Phoenicia is often killed before the guardian is triggered.

Bearbaiting doesn't use ship-guardian.