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Offline Unknown Target

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Re: On Nine slash Eleven as a historic event.
Reply #20 on: September 11, 2011, 01:22:40 pm
Quote from: The E on September 11, 2011, 05:26:44 am
Were there 24-hour news networks or the internet around when Pearl Harbor happened?

So your answer to my question is "no"?

Quote from: castor on September 11, 2011, 06:51:51 am
Or maybe the other 60 million dead stole some of the attention.

Guess the 130,000+ dead and two ten year long wars aren't enough this time around?
 

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Re: On Nine slash Eleven as a historic event.
Reply #21 on: September 11, 2011, 01:47:28 pm
Quote from: Unknown Target on September 11, 2011, 05:16:05 am
Ten years after Pearl Harbor were there fifty news articles a day on “remembering Pearl Harbor”?

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...answer is yes.
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Re: On Nine slash Eleven as a historic event.
Reply #22 on: September 11, 2011, 02:33:15 pm
Quote from: NGTM-1R on September 11, 2011, 01:47:28 pm
Quote from: Unknown Target on September 11, 2011, 05:16:05 am
Ten years after Pearl Harbor were there fifty news articles a day on “remembering Pearl Harbor”?

One moment, consulting with my male parental unit...

...answer is yes.

Really? I didn't know that. I believe you, could you ask them what it was like and how it compares to today?
 

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Re: On Nine slash Eleven as a historic event.
Reply #23 on: September 11, 2011, 03:20:02 pm
Quote from: Unknown Target on September 11, 2011, 01:22:40 pm
Guess the 130,000+ dead and two ten year long wars aren't enough this time around?
Yes, its bad enough. But these attacks were completely unexpected/specifically directed at US, while the whole world was burning in WW2. I think it makes it harder to digest/takes even more time to get over with.
 

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Re: On Nine slash Eleven as a historic event.
Reply #24 on: September 11, 2011, 03:27:52 pm
Here's an editorial from The Province (BC news paper)



I think that basically sums it up nicely
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Re: On Nine slash Eleven as a historic event.
Reply #25 on: September 11, 2011, 03:39:54 pm
Well, a lot of people died, two very iconic buildings were destroyed and people around the world lost their sense of security, because suddenly, a new threat arose, that could strike anytime, anywhere, at anybody (considering that WTC was in the middle of the most powerful country in the world). I think that in case of Pearl Harbor, people more or less expected it could happen, considering that Europe was already at war and Japan wasn't on the side that had US support. Not to mention 9/11 was aimed at civilians, not military. Soldiers (at least in theory) have "death in defense of their country" is a part of their contract and Pearl Harbor was a strictly military target, so Japanese attack was a logical thing to do (relatively speaking). 9/11 was caused by irrational beliefs, by people who simply wanted to kill as many people as possible (showing that they didn't even looked into Koran, which they value so much).
 

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Re: On Nine slash Eleven as a historic event.
Reply #26 on: September 11, 2011, 07:20:08 pm
Quote from: Unknown Target on September 11, 2011, 02:33:15 pm
Really? I didn't know that. I believe you, could you ask them what it was like and how it compares to today?

It was much more underplayed; this was the manner of the time, though, and the style of reporting was much less concerned with analysis or editorial value and much more with just-the-facts, so what meaning that has was obscured.

It was also much more interested in downstream effects, but then again there were vastly more and larger downstream effects to talk about. A lot of it mentioned Pearl Harbor only peripherally...but you could argue that Pearl Harbor was peripheral to the course of the war; it was one of many actions taken that day which would have provoked the United States to fight. 9/11 was singular. Pearl Harbor had to contend with Japan's attacks on the Philippines and Guam that same day, with the first invasion attempt for Wake within the week.
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Re: On Nine slash Eleven as a historic event.
Reply #27 on: September 11, 2011, 09:20:06 pm
I want add a correction to my last statement. The government downfall was with President Ragen aka Captain Spankpants/actor. We had our chance with Al Gore, but no. . . we had to elect a dumb president know as George Dubia Bush. (Excuse me while I up-churn my stomach)
A small voice in my head tells me they are have followed us here in the Milky Way. They follow us until we are dead at their feet. We are nomands of the stars, no longer the race that was loved by the Great Elders. My name is Kyral and this is my story of survival.

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Re: On Nine slash Eleven as a historic event.
Reply #28 on: September 12, 2011, 09:33:53 pm
Quote from: Firstdragon34 on September 11, 2011, 09:20:06 pm
I want add a correction to my last statement. The government downfall was with President Ragen aka Captain Spankpants/actor. We had our chance with Al Gore, but no. . . we had to elect a dumb president know as George Dubia Bush. (Excuse me while I up-churn my stomach)

Highly doubtful...
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/08/30/gore_president_iraq/index.html

As long as the people in government remain the same, changing the person at the top doesn't accomplish much.
 

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Re: On Nine slash Eleven as a historic event.
Reply #29 on: September 12, 2011, 09:41:37 pm
That is true, Goober5000, but why is Germany switching to alternative fuel when America is still lacking behind? Answer: The German government went with the people's suggestion. That is an honest fact.
A small voice in my head tells me they are have followed us here in the Milky Way. They follow us until we are dead at their feet. We are nomands of the stars, no longer the race that was loved by the Great Elders. My name is Kyral and this is my story of survival.

There is no sanctuary for us, in this Universe. We will fight the Terror for one last time on this Shining World. May the Transcendent judge us kindly in the Life Stream.
 

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Re: On Nine slash Eleven as a historic event.
Reply #30 on: September 12, 2011, 10:22:28 pm
Quote from: redsniper on September 11, 2011, 12:34:51 am
I think you guys are just idealizing the past. Governments have always been **** and they're less **** now than they've been in a long time. I mean can you imagine if we still had monarchies, with a king doing WTFever he pleased?

What I'd be worried about is this god-damned war economy we've got going on and corporations having too much sway over the government.

The decline in the effectiveness of congress over the last 30 years is quite real

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That is true, Goober5000, but why is Germany switching to alternative fuel when America is still lacking behind? Answer: The German government went with the people's suggestion. That is an honest fact.

I think you mean switching to alternative electricity sources, but in any event just because people want something doesn't mean it is the right decision. In the case of Germany that you mentioned, it's something that is based entirely on fear and ignorance which is causing them to look for some sort of enviro fantasy energy panacea that unfortunately doesn't exist. In reality Germany is actually building several new coal power plants, which is what will end up replacing nuclear, not wind or solar which are taxpayer funded boondoggles. 
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Offline Firstdragon34

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Re: On Nine slash Eleven as a historic event.
Reply #31 on: September 12, 2011, 10:49:28 pm
Humanity has two paths: Redemption and we almost go into a golden age of peace or we can continue what we do and cruelly conquer our problems, thus wasting more human lives.

I believe there are smart people in this world; they just need the guts to come out and speak for themselves. One voice is more powerful then ten thousand. A man knew that. ;p
A small voice in my head tells me they are have followed us here in the Milky Way. They follow us until we are dead at their feet. We are nomands of the stars, no longer the race that was loved by the Great Elders. My name is Kyral and this is my story of survival.

There is no sanctuary for us, in this Universe. We will fight the Terror for one last time on this Shining World. May the Transcendent judge us kindly in the Life Stream.
 

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Re: On Nine slash Eleven as a historic event.
Reply #32 on: September 13, 2011, 09:01:50 am
I believe you came up with the two paths out of nowhere.

I think the US may well face a governmental collapse, but worse things have happened. Although its likely to be bad, I doubt it will be apocalypse bad.
 

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Re: On Nine slash Eleven as a historic event.
Reply #33 on: September 13, 2011, 10:28:44 am
They kinda popped into my mind. I was thinking of Avatar to be honest.
A small voice in my head tells me they are have followed us here in the Milky Way. They follow us until we are dead at their feet. We are nomands of the stars, no longer the race that was loved by the Great Elders. My name is Kyral and this is my story of survival.

There is no sanctuary for us, in this Universe. We will fight the Terror for one last time on this Shining World. May the Transcendent judge us kindly in the Life Stream.
 

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Re: On Nine slash Eleven as a historic event.
Reply #34 on: September 13, 2011, 10:43:49 am
Quote from: Firstdragon34 on September 12, 2011, 10:49:28 pm
Humanity has two paths: Redemption and we almost go into a golden age of peace or we can continue what we do and cruelly conquer our problems, thus wasting more human lives.

the ****
 

Offline Firstdragon34

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Re: On Nine slash Eleven as a historic event.
Reply #35 on: September 13, 2011, 11:10:51 am
The 'golden age' for change was during the '60's that was our Presidents were stronger. I'm going on this by feeling, but it feels like the governments top thing on the list is to screw over America!

We just about forgot about Haiti! And we have Marsala Shall poisoning our waters, plus Artic drilling. My last rant is: Remember what happened to Japan and imagine that hapening here.
A small voice in my head tells me they are have followed us here in the Milky Way. They follow us until we are dead at their feet. We are nomands of the stars, no longer the race that was loved by the Great Elders. My name is Kyral and this is my story of survival.

There is no sanctuary for us, in this Universe. We will fight the Terror for one last time on this Shining World. May the Transcendent judge us kindly in the Life Stream.
 

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Re: On Nine slash Eleven as a historic event.
Reply #36 on: September 13, 2011, 11:21:40 am
This is why I'm so happy I live in Canada. I don't have to deal with all of this
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Offline Firstdragon34

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Re: On Nine slash Eleven as a historic event.
Reply #37 on: September 13, 2011, 11:42:06 am
Actually, Deathfun, we not that far apart. I'm in Pennsylvannia. Maybe a couple hundred miles apart.
A small voice in my head tells me they are have followed us here in the Milky Way. They follow us until we are dead at their feet. We are nomands of the stars, no longer the race that was loved by the Great Elders. My name is Kyral and this is my story of survival.

There is no sanctuary for us, in this Universe. We will fight the Terror for one last time on this Shining World. May the Transcendent judge us kindly in the Life Stream.
 

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Re: On Nine slash Eleven as a historic event.
Reply #38 on: September 13, 2011, 11:51:59 am
I'm referring to all this stuff about American Politics/Government. I don't need to think about it
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Offline Firstdragon34

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Re: On Nine slash Eleven as a historic event.
Reply #39 on: September 13, 2011, 11:56:43 am
I guess we are all human.

'Nuff said.
A small voice in my head tells me they are have followed us here in the Milky Way. They follow us until we are dead at their feet. We are nomands of the stars, no longer the race that was loved by the Great Elders. My name is Kyral and this is my story of survival.

There is no sanctuary for us, in this Universe. We will fight the Terror for one last time on this Shining World. May the Transcendent judge us kindly in the Life Stream.
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