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Offline Scotty

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Re: A thought on Star Wars weaponry.
Centerpoint Station is the in the Corellian Trilogy, Galaxy Gun is Dark Empire/Empire's End comic book series.

 

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Re: A thought on Star Wars weaponry.
All I know about the Yuuzhan Vong thingy is that it's something that makes the majority of fans cover their ears and yell "LALALALA THIS NEVER HAPPENED!!"  Kind of like the prequels, come to think of it.

 

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Re: A thought on Star Wars weaponry.
I found most of the Yuuzhan Vong series quite entertaining and tbh i have read little after that period
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There is nothing wrong with Episode III, okay so Anakin goes emo and becomes Darth Vader. You have to like the John Williams theme to the Jedi's downfall and Battle theme between Anakin and Obi-wan!
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Re: A thought on Star Wars weaponry.
All I know about the Yuuzhan Vong thingy is that it's something that makes the majority of fans cover their ears and yell "LALALALA THIS NEVER HAPPENED!!"  Kind of like the prequels, come to think of it.

Probably because all it would have taken for the Vong to have never been a real threat would have been to stop lobotomising everyone, thing and object in the new Republic.

Throwing characters into wells of infinite stupidity does not a threatening enemy make.

 

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There is nothing wrong with Episode III, okay so Anakin goes emo and becomes Darth Vader. You have to like the John Williams theme to the Jedi's downfall and Battle theme between Anakin and Obi-wan!

I wasn't aware that liking John Williams' work meant that one automatically had to like the film it was used in. :p

 

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Back on the topic of my FTL anti-ship missile, I do believe episode VI has X-wings making FTL jumps.  Unless there's some EU malarkey stating otherwise, it is entirely possible to make a miniaturized hyperspace drive.  Hence, these missiles would be of extreme tactical importance, as they can be small enough, fast enough, and  maneuverable enough to avoid CIWS fire until they make their final attack.  Their range is intended for broadside engagements, but could likely be used at longer ranges against targets not protected by an interdictor.

And while we're thinking up ridiculous new superweapons, what about pushing a region of space into hyperspace?  That way you can dump a crap-ton of energy into said region and have it appear on the far side of the galaxy.  Death Star v2.0--doesn't even have to move.  Of course, this is coming from someone who never bothered with the EU stuff, so :P
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Re: A thought on Star Wars weaponry.
See, the problem with hyperspace missiles isn't possibility, it's practicality.  X-Wings are EXPENSIVE for snubfighters.  Plugging one into a vessel that's explicitly designed to fling itself into the enemies' shields and armor is literally blasting money out of your missile tubes.

 

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See, the problem with hyperspace missiles isn't possibility, it's practicality.  X-Wings are EXPENSIVE for snubfighters.  Plugging one into a vessel that's explicitly designed to fling itself into the enemies' shields and armor is literally blasting money out of your missile tubes.

Exactly. The proposed weapon would be of absolutely zero tactical importance or value because it would be too expensive to ever use.

What is more realistic. 1'000 Snubfighters that can be used over and over again (and that using the X-Wing) and carries 12 normal torpedoes. OR 1'000 FTL missiles that have to be replaced.

Yep, the snubfighters. An FTL missile is, when it comes down to it, worthless by virtue of its own drive. AND esarai is neglecting to consider other factors. An FTL drive on a missile will take from the power of the warheads. They WILL make it less agile and in every odd, except on 'final approach' it will be slower.

This is the same reason that the governments all over the world didn't replace its airforce with ICBMs and Cruise Missiles.

 

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Re: A thought on Star Wars weaponry.
Cost is why I was thinking a remote or drone missile delivery system, the drone is launched from your defensive position, hyperspaces across the system, swarm launches a ton of missiles at it's target and either hyperspaces back home or sits around and waits for recovery
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Re: A thought on Star Wars weaponry.
They call those 'snubfighters.'  They're used quite extensively.

 

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Re: A thought on Star Wars weaponry.
They call those 'snubfighters.'  They're used quite extensively.

the most i have seen at once in SW from a snubfighter is a twin launch, i am talking multiples of 10 or more per launch
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Re: A thought on Star Wars weaponry.
They call those 'snubfighters.'  They're used quite extensively.

the most i have seen at once in SW from a snubfighter is a twin launch, i am talking multiples of 10 or more per launch


http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Missile_Boat


 

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Re: A thought on Star Wars weaponry.
As a sidenote: Why hasn't anyone here thought of making a giant cube with a hyperspace drive and a one man pilot? There you go. Crash into the bastards with a solid cube

Or as an obvious Family Guy reference, make a sphere which is a disco ball
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Re: A thought on Star Wars weaponry.
They call those 'snubfighters.'  They're used quite extensively.

the most i have seen at once in SW from a snubfighter is a twin launch, i am talking multiples of 10 or more per launch


http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Missile_Boat



Totally OP. ****ing awesome craft, but seriously OP. Though, to add further credence to your argument, the A-Wing is capable of launching a crapload of concussion missiles in a burst, too.

Oh, and Torpedo Sphere FTW

 

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Re: A thought on Star Wars weaponry.
The Torpedo Sphere is a borderline superweapon and while the missile boat is closer to what I had in mind i was thinking something that didnt carry a person that could fire one or several large waves of missiles at once rather than fire a couple of missiles, wait a second, fire two more, etc.

Basically local defences detect the arrival of badguys, a space station that is clear of mass shadows then deploys an appropriate number of these drones.  The drones jump to where the enemy is unleash a barrage of missiles at the targets, destroying or badly damaging them and either go dormant or return to the station.  The fact that they are drones means loosing one is no issue in terms of loss of life and financial cost wise they would be somewhere between a TIE and a X-wing, heck the intelligence on the drones dont need to be that high because all they are doing is pointing at a target and shooting..
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Re: A thought on Star Wars weaponry.
* Alex Heartnet watches as the drones get picked off by TIE-fighters or similar as they retreat from having fired their missiles due to their lack of intelligence...

What you are describing sounds exactly like what bombers were designed to do.
« Last Edit: September 16, 2011, 08:36:16 am by Alex Heartnet »

 

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The Torpedo Sphere is a borderline superweapon and while the missile boat is closer to what I had in mind i was thinking something that didnt carry a person that could fire one or several large waves of missiles at once rather than fire a couple of missiles, wait a second, fire two more, etc.

Basically local defences detect the arrival of badguys, a space station that is clear of mass shadows then deploys an appropriate number of these drones.  The drones jump to where the enemy is unleash a barrage of missiles at the targets, destroying or badly damaging them and either go dormant or return to the station.  The fact that they are drones means loosing one is no issue in terms of loss of life and financial cost wise they would be somewhere between a TIE and a X-wing, heck the intelligence on the drones dont need to be that high because all they are doing is pointing at a target and shooting..

List of problems with that idea.

1: Torpedoes take time to lock onto a target.
2: We've seen the long list of problems with Star Wars drone technology.
3: A Microjump will throw the missile lightyears out from their target.
4: Every jump has to be calculated exactly *cue Han's speech about jumping into a star etc*
5: The financial cost will be ASTRONOMICALLY high. (Ship + Hyperdrive + Torpedo/Missile Launchers + Loadout of missiles/torpedoes + Cost of Autonomous systems + Advanced Jump Plotting Computer)

Machinery of the complexity required to make your plan work would be more costly than the pilot who the Empire hires by the million.

Star Wars is the ENTIRELY wrong universe for your proposed technology to be viable within.


 

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Re: A thought on Star Wars weaponry.
The Torpedo Sphere is a borderline superweapon and while the missile boat is closer to what I had in mind i was thinking something that didnt carry a person that could fire one or several large waves of missiles at once rather than fire a couple of missiles, wait a second, fire two more, etc.

Basically local defences detect the arrival of badguys, a space station that is clear of mass shadows then deploys an appropriate number of these drones.  The drones jump to where the enemy is unleash a barrage of missiles at the targets, destroying or badly damaging them and either go dormant or return to the station.  The fact that they are drones means loosing one is no issue in terms of loss of life and financial cost wise they would be somewhere between a TIE and a X-wing, heck the intelligence on the drones dont need to be that high because all they are doing is pointing at a target and shooting..

List of problems with that idea.

1: Torpedoes take time to lock onto a target.
2: We've seen the long list of problems with Star Wars drone technology.
3: A Microjump will throw the missile lightyears out from their target.
4: Every jump has to be calculated exactly *cue Han's speech about jumping into a star etc*
5: The financial cost will be ASTRONOMICALLY high. (Ship + Hyperdrive + Torpedo/Missile Launchers + Loadout of missiles/torpedoes + Cost of Autonomous systems + Advanced Jump Plotting Computer)

Machinery of the complexity required to make your plan work would be more costly than the pilot who the Empire hires by the million.

Star Wars is the ENTIRELY wrong universe for your proposed technology to be viable within.



1. fair point but then a sentient pilot also has this issue
2. the issues drones have in my understanding is their ability to handle the complexities of manoeuvring in an effective manner during combat, something these wont be doing, a fairly basic droid brain could handle it, mostly for target recognition purposes.
3. It wont be the missile that jumps but the missile delivery system which only has to get close as a star fighter would in a similar situation.
4. the calculations would be simple compared to an intersystem jump as there are less mass shadows to contend with.
5. I think you are overrating the cost to be honest.  the launching station can handle the jump calculations which is why I suggested they might be one way, though storing a return journey wouldn't be that hard so no need for a computer to process the jump.  the ship only has to be sturdy enough to survive a hyperspace jump with a little armour to make it harder to destroy.  Reactor, Reactor fuel, probably enough for an hour's operation+jump, sublight drive for manoeuvring and positioning, hyperspace drive for the FTL bit, drive fuel, launch tubes, targeting electronics, sensors, basic droid brain, communications suite with directional receivers to allow for target priority updates and aborts if necessaries, directionality would help prevent hacking attempts and a basic navigation suite able to utilise jump data.  and that's it, shields would be a useful option but costly and not essential.

The drone would benefit from not having to carry any life support, probably wont need as powerful a inertial dampening system as seen on fighters either.
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