[Herra Tohtori]

I have no strong feelings one way or another.

[Bobboau]

All i have to say is that if some one said something nasty about someone i knew and had died i would be furious and it is on that basis that i choose to try and respect the dead no matter what i thought of them in life.

I try to be honest.

[castor]

Also, I've never understood the idea of respect for the dead. They're dead.

Well, maybe the dead remind us that one day its our turn to go, and that there's absolutely nothing we can do about it - death comes and ends us, no questions asked.
I find that easy to respect.

[Woolie Wool]

Also, I've never understood the idea of respect for the dead. They're dead. I highly doubt that many people will have much good to say about me (there will be some) but in a way, it'd be nice for death to be a time for people to actually be honest.

Um, maybe because even though the deceased may not appreciate the respect, the grieving people they left behind sure as hell will?  This isn't exactly social rocket science here.

Respecting the grief of the bereaved is no longer hip. In this age of imageboards, the cool people act like dicks for the lulz the sake of being a dick.

I hate humanity sometimes. I don't think everything Steve Jobs did was wonderful, but the amount of suffering he must have gone through in the past seven years is beyond imagination. Cancer sucks.

[Luis Dias]

I agree that Bobboau language has been insensitive, but his assessment of Jobs' career isn't wrong, and you can argue that kind of attack is justified in the light of the character worship Jobs is getting right now. He was nothing of the sort.

His assessment of Jobs' career is ignorant bashing. To justify such attacks because of the "character worship" is losing one's perspective. No man is perfect, no man is without flaws. To call Jobs a "Osama Bin Laden" is so flat out gargantuanly ridiculous over the top that I'm speechless to the "agreement" that he seems to be having here.

I'm really appaled.

[EDIT]I think this sums it up:

http://xkcd.com/961/

Was that a joke? xkcd? Really?

[Raiden]

I'm so not elated by this.

totally not the absolute best news I could have heard before going to sleep.
I'm totally not going to have to play it cool tomorrow around all the apple fan-boys I work with.

You're a ****ing sicko, man. Elated? The absolute best news? You must be a joy to know IRL.

[Mars]

I was not trying to be an ass. Jobs was one of the rich that I generally regard as the enemy. It's not personal, but I can't help but wonder why there's so much talk of this. If Bloomburg died, there wouldn't be all this notice.

Also, when I die, maybe two dozen people will notice; I'm not putting Jobs below me in the least.

[swashmebuckle]

It's a good idea to keep your feelings to yourself if the act of sharing those feelings is going to come across as dancing on someone's grave.  There's plenty of time for honest evaluation of the guy's career and choices; celebrating a person's death immediately after the fact will always look like an effort at grabbing people's attention, even if you don't mean it that way.  Steve Jobs' death is not about any of us.

[Mars]

His death is indeed not about any of us, which is why I wonder why its at the top of my BBC report and all over Facebook.

[Luis Dias]

OMG a remarkably famous and appreciated person died and the media dares to mention it!

Where is the world headed, I ask thee?

[Mongoose]

I was not trying to be an ass. Jobs was one of the rich that I generally regard as the enemy. It's not personal, but I can't help but wonder why there's so much talk of this. If Bloomburg died, there wouldn't be all this notice.

Perhaps because a great many people feel that Steve Jobs has contributed far more to their lives than your garden-variety CEO.  I'm not necessarily one of them (unless you talk about interface stuff like giving the mainstream world the mouse), but I respect the sentiment.

[Ghostavo]

While I don't really like the guy, due to where he directed the industry towards, I'm saddened to see someone linked with IT having a brain fart about the best way to treat his disease, namely by wishing it goes away by doing nothing.

[karajorma]

All the more reason to point that out so that the next person to get it might realise it's a really bad idea.

[StarSlayer]

Yeah, I dunno if you all get the fact that Pancreatic Cancer is friggen lethal, that he even got seven years is bloody amazing.  I've been up close and personal with the disease, this isn't something that you can treat into submission, either you eventually die from the cancer or the chemo, there is no beating Pancreatic Cancer.  It is a death sentence and if you actually derive some sense of joy from someone succumbing from it your a god damn ****wad.

[karajorma]

Usually, yes. But apparently based on the link Ghostavo posted he had an islet cell neuroendocrine tumor which is a rarer but fairly survivable kind. As the article says, the median survival time there is actually 10 years, so he actually had less time than most. Part of which might possibly be attributable to the fact that he didn't treat it properly for 9 months after detection.

That said, I tend to agree with your assessment of anyone who is happy he's dead.

[swashmebuckle]

His death is indeed not about any of us, which is why I wonder why its at the top of my BBC report and all over Facebook.

The gravedancing part of my post wasn't directed at you, Mars.  I do think that posting right now about how Jobs' death isn't/shouldn't be a big deal (when it clearly is to a lot of people), particularly if you feel that he is your enemy, IS sort of making it personal though.  Even if you don't get the outpouring of empathy for him and his family, or you think that he didn't have a positive impact on your life, any posts trying to downplay his death are going to come off wrong to me because they have the effect of redirecting attention towards the poster.  It's sort like standing in front of something and shouting "Don't look at this!"--it reinforces how Jobs was a polarizing and important figure, and kinda pulls the poster into the ring along with him.

[Beskargam]

r.i.p. you changed a lot.

[Bobboau]

he didn't treat it properly for 9 months after detection. [due to snake oil]

I may be dancing on his grave, but that does piss me right off.

[Mr. Vega]

I agree that Bobboau language has been insensitive, but his assessment of Jobs' career isn't wrong, and you can argue that kind of attack is justified in the light of the character worship Jobs is getting right now. He was nothing of the sort.

His assessment of Jobs' career is ignorant bashing. To justify such attacks because of the "character worship" is losing one's perspective. No man is perfect, no man is without flaws. To call Jobs a "Osama Bin Laden" is so flat out gargantuanly ridiculous over the top that I'm speechless to the "agreement" that he seems to be having here.

I'm really appaled.

[EDIT]I think this sums it up:

http://xkcd.com/961/

Was that a joke? xkcd? Really?

Do you want me to further specify my position to rid it of any unintended insensitivity? Jobs was a masterful marketer who convinced the media and public that his products were of a much higher quality and level of innovation than they actually were. He is one of many people that a secular cult developed around fueled by sycophantic tendencies of the media, who want nothing more than to extoll the supreme virtues of a goddamn salesman. While I know little of him personally, I am quite capable of noticing how the image of him was warped and distorted into something that scarcely resembled the reality of him or his company. As such, while I am sad for his death as I am sad for any man's death, I think it's a good idea to burst the bubble of everyone who wants to use his death to turn the hero worship of him up to eleven. Because I despise the industry of false hero-making, and it would be to the benefit of everyone if that industry were discredited so only actual, deserving individuals should get such praise. So I agree with Bobboau in that he attempted to do this. I did not condone the particular language he used.

Happy? Of course not, because I'm not allowed to state an opinion as long as you consider it to be ignorant bashing.

[NGTM-1R]

There's plenty of time for honest evaluation of the guy's career and choices;

These opinions were never exactly secrets. They were expressed while the man was alive. Attempts to censor them out of "respect for the dead" are at best misguided.

It is more important to speak the truth of a man after he is dead, so that his legacy may be properly understood.