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Offline Valathil

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Re: Re: Not-so-secret Secret Project
I haven't seen any topic on HLP meet such excitement ever, next to perhaps the release of WIH.

Just wait for the Geomod thread
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Re: Re: Not-so-secret Secret Project
How many times do i have to mention that this thing will be tunable and disableable before everyone gets it. This isnt even 50% finished by my reckoning for christ's sake why should i worry about doing fine tune settings now when i havent even figured out to do all kinds of light sources yet. I mean thanks for the suggestions on how to make it more customizable but do you really think im doing this and havent thought about what could be tuned in a feature i completely thought up and implemented by myself? I mean you could have asked anyone a month ago if there would be shadows in fsopen and everybody would have said NO WAI. So really, settle down till i finish it. This is going to take a while. As I said before im doing this alone and i dont have unlimited time to work on this. The Test builds im providing are as a courtesy to the community and a way to test the code on different hardware setups not really a performance test if it can run on integrated intel gpus or the like. So if your pc cant handle this it never will regardless of any parameters i would expose for tuning. Sucks to be you but thats the way it is.



I think this is why many dev groups keep their content almost completely secret until near-primetime...

I wonder how many people are using these builds without the mentality of pure beta tesrer...
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Re: Re: Not-so-secret Secret Project
In that case, more power to him. *raises glass*

Hopefully it will be able to decide which suns to prioritize based on their size in-mission.
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Re: Re: Not-so-secret Secret Project
How many times do i have to mention that this thing will be tunable and disableable before everyone gets it. This isnt even 50% finished by my reckoning for christ's sake why should i worry about doing fine tune settings now when i havent even figured out to do all kinds of light sources yet. I mean thanks for the suggestions on how to make it more customizable but do you really think im doing this and havent thought about what could be tuned in a feature i completely thought up and implemented by myself? I mean you could have asked anyone a month ago if there would be shadows in fsopen and everybody would have said NO WAI. So really, settle down till i finish it. This is going to take a while. As I said before im doing this alone and i dont have unlimited time to work on this. The Test builds im providing are as a courtesy to the community and a way to test the code on different hardware setups not really a performance test if it can run on integrated intel gpus or the like. So if your pc cant handle this it never will regardless of any parameters i would expose for tuning. Sucks to be you but thats the way it is.

They are merely afraid that if they wait until the feature is complete, and something is missing that they would like implemented, that it would require too much work to add in, and thus not be implemented, wheras if they mention it before the shadows are even halfway done, at least you have seen their suggestion.

So, basically, I think it is "in b4 it requires a re-write" type of deal here, because no one knows when you will reach the point in your coding process where it would be unfeasible to add in their request.

That's what I see, anyways.

 

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Re: Re: Not-so-secret Secret Project
Exactly. If everybody started making their suggestions after shadows are finished, there's a chance (a rather likely one) they'd be told that it'd be too much work to make any changes.
Since now nothing is set in stone, everybody's discussing how they could be developed.

 

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Re: Re: Not-so-secret Secret Project
I don't think  Valathil is too dumb to forget those. Any developer, have to think about dynamic function with a lot of parameter so you can fine tuning every bit of your code without using static values hard coded.

 

Offline Herra Tohtori

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Re: Re: Not-so-secret Secret Project
It's just quite rude to make requests that have been repeatedly made and responded to earlier in the thread...
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Re: Re: Not-so-secret Secret Project
GetSatisfaction.com time, anyone? :p
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Offline Valathil

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Re: Re: Not-so-secret Secret Project
great now the admin is spamming in my thread
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Re: Re: Not-so-secret Secret Project
If you call spamming the provision of a possible solution to an unwelcome barrage of requests, then yes, I am spamming and loving it. :)
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill

 

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Re: Re: Not-so-secret Secret Project
GetSatisfaction.com time, anyone? :p

That's actually probably a good idea. FSO could make good use of a GetSatisfaction account.

 

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Re: Re: Not-so-secret Secret Project
great now the admin is spamming in my thread
On HLP, if your thread starts attracting a significant amount of off-topic chatter, it reinforces the fact that you've done something cool. :D

 

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Re: Re: Not-so-secret Secret Project
That's actually probably a good idea. FSO could make good use of a GetSatisfaction account.

Shame it costs so much... :-/
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill

 

Offline jr2

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Re: Re: Not-so-secret Secret Project
That's actually probably a good idea. FSO could make good use of a GetSatisfaction account.

Shame it costs so much... :-/

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1576935/open-source-alternative-to-uservoice-or-get-satisfaction

http://alternativeto.net/software/get-satisfaction/?license=free

http://www.digitalking.it/en/2011/02/28/alternative-gratuite-a-get-satisfaction-e-uservoice/

EDIT: And, sorry Valathil... any mod wanna split out feature requests to one thread and Get Satisfaction discussion to another?  :nervous:

 

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Re: Re: Not-so-secret Secret Project
All Off-Topic ramblings and whines and requests and what have you have been split, so carry on here with whatever.
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Re: Not-so-secret Secret Project
Wow. Only 1/4 of that thread was on topic?
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lmao. No wonder Valathil was so pissed.

 

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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill

 

Offline Luis Dias

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Re: Re: Not-so-secret Secret Project
I'll use this thread instead of the other to once again commend Valathil and the rest of the team helping him out on this amazing feature!

FreeSpace will never be the same with these improvements! It's a wonderful introduction to this new decade of SCP.

  

Offline Valathil

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Re: Not-so-secret Secret Project
I just found out that RAGE the new mega awesome super 3D Engine from ID has no dynamic shadows. They use lightmaps. AHAHAHAHAAHHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAAHHAAHHAHA
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