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Offline FireSpawn

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
It is quite obvious that the Serkret Project is a stupidity ray of tremendous scale, designed to allow the vile UEF forces to make our pilots and admiral's IQs drop by -345 and indoctrinate them into following Ubuntu, and to make them hate crumpets and Earl Grey Tea.

We Shivans must destroy this abomination before it can be used against us: Imagine, a future where we HATE crumpets and tea because the UEF used this SPAAAACE WMD upon us. It is a horrific future to think of, is it not?

Earl Grey and crumpets are the iconic foodstuff of England, which is on Earth, which is consequently within UEF territory. Thus rather than make everyone hate tea and crumpets, it stands to reason that the ray would make everyone develop an uncontrollable addiction to them, which would result in a galactic wide shortage and allow for the UEF to hold their mighty tea and crumpet production and the fact that only the UEF can produce enough for all terrans over the GTVAs head.

*UEF uses the real ETAC (Earl-grey Tea And Crumpet) device.

*GTVA almost collapses due to insufficient T&C production levels.

*UEF demonstrates ability to keep up with supply and demand.

*GTVA becomes becomes the UEF's *****

*?????????

*PROFIT!!!
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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Or:

*UEF uses the real ETAC (Earl-grey Tea And Crumpet) device.

*GTVA almost collapses due to insufficient T&C production levels.

*UEF demonstrates ability to keep up with supply and demand.

*Security Council redoubles war effort, telling their citizens that they are doing this to capture the tea and crumpets intact.

*GTVA military blows up tea and crumpets instead.

*GTVA citizenry rises up in rebellion, eats Security Council.

 

Offline Aesaar

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Or:

GTVA accepts that coffee is superior to T&C, and invade Sol to free UEF citizens from Ubuntu T&C tyranny.  Invade with with swarms of cheap, disposable GTF Starbucks and GTB Tim Hortons, which land on every street corner and airlock, strangling UEF T&C distribution.
« Last Edit: April 09, 2012, 04:17:15 pm by Aesaar »

 

Offline CT27

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
How would the GTD McDonalds be used? ;)

 

Offline Buckshee Rounds

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Or:

*Bosch returns as the vanguard of a Shivan armada domesticated by alcoholism from Bosch beer

*Shivans looking for partay accidently open new Sol node

*Drunk-driven Saths wreck UEF fleet

*NTF galvanised by return of Bosch, take over universe

 
Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Ha, wasn't even a Queen.  That'd be the Imperiouse or Serkr Group, methinks.  The Carthage would be some other power piece, yes, but not the Queen.
I actually meant the Imperieuse when I talked about the Queen.
Pretending the Queen is out of the game and promote the Carthage for the time being, it is the perfect bait, 'cause, as we know, the UEF wanted desperatly to deal a heavy blow to the TEVs...Damn shame Steele lured them into his trap.

Considering the Deadalus base...the Tevs are able to jump meson bombs, while they won't send a meson bomb to said base and demand them to stand down, what about a realy huge EMP?
We know the Tevs got EMP missiles, but what about a meson bomb sized EMP warhead, which would simply disable the whole defensive systems, so they can jump in and destroy them?
And does that mean that the UEF has Mjolnir like torpedo platforms?

Queen? Not even the Imperieuse is a queen. It's a rook.

The queen would be the Atreus. With that experimental sprint drive and whatever other modifications/experimental tech Steele decided to use, she's got both the mobility, range, and power of a queen on a chess board.

The Carthage is more like a bishop, or a knight. Serker is most definitely a knight.

What was lost at the battle in Delenda Est?
For the GTVA, it was a destroyer's fighter wings, and major (but repairable) damage to all but the Carthage. Strategically, the existence of a fully-repaired Imperieuse in Sol (that was believed to be in DS under repair and resupply) became known to the UEF, too. But only barely, really, as hardly anyone on the Indus seems to have survived to tell the tale.
For the UEF, it was the complete loss of the War Gods, an elite task force made up of four frigates, two cruisers, several fighter wings, and several of the best pilots and captains in the UEF. They also took some logistical damage when baiting the Carthage at the beginning. The Indus MIGHT be capable of repair, but doing so would take months; the damage sustained is massive and extensive, and much of its crew and command staff are dead or in need of serious and constant medical treatment for months.


In other words, the UEF took a gigantic military and morale loss. The GTVA took a temporary military setback, but a massive morale victory. Only a destroyer's worth of fighter wings was lost--though the Carthage's carrier capacity is probably the lowest in the GTVA for a destroyer.

As soon as the Carthage's battle group is repaired, the GTVA should launch a three-pronged assault on three vital UEF assets. The UEF commits a big chunk of their forces to save each of them, or they lose whichever one they don't try to save. Hopefully, a Solaris will show up to at least one of them.

Wherever a Solaris--or its equivalent--shows up, two of the other GTVA battle groups, held back in reserve, jump in and ambush it. One dead Solaris--or a ton of UEF frigates. Expect Serker to act in a similar fashion on a smaller scale.

Once that's accomplished, assuming it's possible or opportune, the GTVA battle groups will jump out. Pegasi fighters will monitor the UEF's situation throughout; if they see an opportunity for Serker (or even the Atreus, if possible) to take out a frigate or two, they'll send word.

Losses on the UEF's side will be utterly devastating. The GTVA will have an AWACS with each battle group, so their beams will always be on target. TAG missiles will also be used, as a backup. With the GTVA's sufficient AAA and fighter cover, only the Narayana class's gauss cannons will present a significant threat outside of the GTVA's effective range. However, they can't do nearly enough damage in time, as they'd lose those vital UEF assets by the time it started working. And, you know, those battle groups the GTVA has in reserve.

The GTVA has no doubt already positioned several Mjoilner sentry guns at the jump node, and will likely still have several ships there for defense. Any UEF attempt to destroy the Knossos gate on the other side will require serious strategic planning ahead of time, and will require enough ships to withstand heavy losses. Not an option in their present state under the situation. Plus, any such action, if successful, would ensure total defeat when the GTVA's Sol fleet accept heavy losses and go for the throat. If such an action is unsuccessful, then the GTVA gets "scared" and deploys another battle group (or two) to Sol. Well, NOW it's game over.
« Last Edit: May 10, 2012, 01:30:25 am by SaltyWaffles »
Delenda Est delenda est.

(Yay gratuitous Latin.)

 
Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
The Carthage in the context of Delenda Est is more like the King. Big, slow, and not particularly useful, but likely to lose the war for you if it gets taken.

 

Offline Scotty

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
I'd also like to point out that it is very possible to actually destroy every single ship in Delenda Est leading up to the Carthage if you take out their engines.  Being a scattering of debris in space doesn't really qualify as "repairable damage".

Not saying the Wargods won or anything, just that how it happened on your playthrough does not necessarily reflect how somebody else saw it.

 

Offline Drogoth

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Yeah but I was under the impression that the BP canon ending was that all GTVA ships (maybe with the exception of the Antenor and Norfolk) escaped with repairable damage. You can destroy the Meridian in Post Meridian... but I do remember being told that the canon ending was that it escaped.

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Offline MatthTheGeek

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
You can destroy the Meridian in Post Meridian... but I do remember being told that the canon ending was that it escaped.
Wrong. The Meridian engines are guardianned and the destroyer gets guardianned and jumps when his health gets low enough. I know the mission by heart since I made the multiplayer version of it. Two versions in fact.
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Offline General Battuta

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
You can't destroy the Meridian in Post Meridian, though there is a debriefing stage for it.

The unfortunate fact is that there is no way for us to carry over vars from R1 to R2, so even if you managed to disable a bunch of Carthage escorts, we can't account for that in R2.

 

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The unfortunate fact is that there is no way for us to carry over vars from R1 to R2
Get coders on it nao !
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Offline QuakeIV

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
They got spanked big-time so I think its safe to assume they are still in for repair and out of the picture after the war ends.  "Final weeks of the war" probably wasn't for show.

 

Offline CT27

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"Final weeks of the war" probably wasn't for show.

I read on the BP website that 'final weeks of the war' refers to the first part of WIH.  So I wonder how much time the second part will cover?

 

Offline QuakeIV

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I would assume maybe two weeks tops.  What excites ME about R2 is that the war looks like its going to drag on for quite a while but its somehow almost over.

 

Offline MatthTheGeek

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
It can't drag on for a while. UEF logistics are wrecked and they have at most a couple of months worth of supplies, and that's the most optimistic estimations. Knowing Steele, he'll apply as much pressure as humanly possible to reduce that potential lifespan even further.

Either the UEF find a way to drive the Tevs out of Sol NOW, or they'll just face logistical collapse. Either way, we're looking at the end of the war right here.
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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Vishnan battlefleet, GO!!!
If you hit it and it bleeds, you can kill it. If you hit it and it doesn't bleed...You are obviously not hitting hard enough.

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Shivan rush, kekekekeke.
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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Shivan rush, kekekekeke.

BP is too hipster to do that.
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Offline MatthTheGeek

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
BP is hardly hipster. It's, actually, probably the most mainstream campaign out there: everyone played it !

WCS is hipster - making mods for HLP is too mainstream.
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