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FreeSpace fleets vs WoD fleets
The Colossus is what, 6km long?
The GA is like, the size of a Deimos, slightly bigger, IIRC.

Clearly, one Deimos a year does not stress GTVA production in the slightest, given the fact that they're practically crawling around everywhere in FS2. They could probably spit out 10 a year.

The Colossus just took a long time probably due to it being a project unprecedented in scale, thus requiring much more planning, paperwork, and probably a fair bit of custom infrastructure to even start laying down the hull. I would estimate similar things for the LSF if not more, seeing as they don't have any ships even the size of an Orion.
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The GTVA is, I think, bigger and more powerful than both the LSF and the CSA.
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The Colossus is what, 6km long?
The GA is like, the size of a Deimos, slightly bigger, IIRC.

Clearly, one Deimos a year does not stress GTVA production in the slightest, given the fact that they're practically crawling around everywhere in FS2. They could probably spit out 10 a year.

The Colossus just took a long time probably due to it being a project unprecedented in scale, thus requiring much more planning, paperwork, and probably a fair bit of custom infrastructure to even start laying down the hull. I would estimate similar things for the LSF if not more, seeing as they don't have any ships even the size of an Orion.

Ok. That frame of reference would have been even more helpful. Edited my question to be more fair.
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Hahaha, no. Both sides possesses several thousand capital ships (and recall how many ships was assembled to attack the Hertak Flagship?), compared to that...measly GTVA...
At least in the LSF's case, none of those ships (except the GA, which isn't intended for direct assault anyway) is bigger than an Aeolus, and are very vulnerable to flanking maneuvers.
Actually, I'm going to try and FRED this.
A Challenger II vs:
_ An Aeolus
_ A Deimos
_ A Diomedes
_ A Phobos

And all the ships I saw engaging the Flagship vs:
_ An Orion
_ A Raynor
_ A Colossus
_ A Solaris
_ An Odin

Not to mention the power of Cyrvan MCWSes alone, and they don't only have 500 or 1000 of them.[/url]
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Re: FreeSpace fleets vs WoD fleets
The size of the ships do not matter - only their weapons and the sheer amount of ships they can gather compared to any GTVA fleet, matters.



I'm pretty sure that MCWSes come in the shielded variant, too.

 

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least in the LSF's case, none of those ships (except the GA, which isn't intended for direct assault anyway) is bigger than an Aeolus, and are very vulnerable to flanking maneuvers.
Wut?! The Challenger is 512 meters long! The Aeolus is just 272 m. Even the Skirmisher is longer than the Aeolus.

The Challenger has a very strong beam cannon (2280 base damage) and I'm sure it will always win against the Aeolus. If the Beam doesn't destroy it, the Pulse turrets will do. The Aeolus is even worse if both move into broadside engagement. I don't think the Flaks and Blobs are able to penetrate the shields.

However, I'm not sure about the Challenger II vs. Deimos thingy. The Challenger II is high likely ****ed if it tries to win in a broadside engagement against a Diomedes.

And all the ships I saw engaging the Flagship vs:
_ An Orion
_ A Raynor
_ A Colossus
_ A Solaris
_ An Odin

Actually depends from which direction they attack. The LSF ships seem to be familiarized with shock-jump attacks and a nice Challenger-Skirmisher combo can do tremendous damage. (remember, they even managed to destroy Armageddons with this tactic. An Armageddon already has 350.000 hitpoints and 250.000 shield points!)

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A 1v1 fight between GTCA and LSF ships isn't exactly representative to compare fleet strength, since the LSF capships outnumber their GTVA equivalent massively.
Let's assume for arguments sake that the GTVA has 300 capships (though I highly doubt they have even half that number). That would put them roughly into a 1 to 41 disadvantage against the 12392 capitalships the LSF had in the year 144.

We also havn't seen the really big hitters in WoD1. While they weren't seen in the campaign, the LSF does have battleships (according to the techroom, battleship designation means between 1001 and 1700 meters length) and big carriers.

 

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Carriers aren't very impressive armament-wise, and battleships are pretty much like AoD's LSF Knight.
I guess that a Raynor or Titan wouldn't have much problem against most LSF ships, even with head-on engagement (that goes double for the Titan).

 
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Except that the GTVA wouldn't have all that many Titans and/or escorts, while the LSF deploys thousands of capital ships when it does massive fleet battles, most notably against the Cyrvans and Hertak.  A single LSF battlegroup probably contains enough warships and strikecraft to simply drown a GTVA Fleet in ship hulls.
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Re: FreeSpace fleets vs WoD fleets
What about Shivans? I mean, we all saw the insane crap shivan's spat out at the GTVA on a daily basis, The Lucifer had two superlasers for goodness sakes, then the Sathanas came with four, whats stopping the Shivans from bringing something with 50?! and then there are the Vishnans, frankly. The Precursor races of Freespace, Vishnan and Shivan, scare me more then the Hertak's ever could.

What makes me even more curious were the Ancients. The movies in Freespace 1 imply that the ancients had a vast empire, possibly with fleet sizes rivaling LSF and Cyrvans combined, or maybe i'm looking too hard into it. But if i'm not, that would mean that the Shivans have a really, truely massive armada.

After all, the GTVA beat them back, and before they weren't even trying, and then they brought ina bout what, 50 to 100 Sathanas Juggernauts alone to blow up a sun?..Now i'm curious, Sathanas vs a Armeggedon..Hmm, Might have to fire up FRED for that.

 

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What about Shivans? I mean, we all saw the insane crap shivan's spat out at the GTVA on a daily basis, The Lucifer had two superlasers for goodness sakes, then the Sathanas came with four, whats stopping the Shivans from bringing something with 50?! and then there are the Vishnans, frankly. The Precursor races of Freespace, Vishnan and Shivan, scare me more then the Hertak's ever could.

After all, the GTVA beat them back, and before they weren't even trying, and then they brought ina bout what, 50 to 100 Sathanas Juggernauts alone to blow up a sun?..Now i'm curious, Sathanas vs a Armeggedon..Hmm, Might have to fire up FRED for that.
Shivans are omnicidial determinators. Find out how much your enemy can take and then take it up to eleven with your forces. It worked everytime. However, there are good chances of surviving such a war if the LSF and the CSA would combine their forces. The problem with the Shivans is that you don't know how strong they really are.

Oh I already tested the Sathanas vs. Armageddon situation. The Sathanas managed to destroy four Armageddons. Think about that  :sigh:

EDIT: The Sathanas can handle two! Not four! Goddamnit.
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Shadow, what about the Lucifer? How many Hertak ships can it wreck?

 

Offline Deadly in a Shadow

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Not four! I remember that I posted some pics in the "Celebration of Freespace"-thread long time ago. The Sathanas can handle two.
But hell, even two are one hell of an achievement. Massed Sathanae against the Hertak, that should be fun.

The Lucifer? The FS1 Lucifer is a nightmare but even the FS1 one will go down. The Hertak have beams, the Great-War terrans didn't had any beams. The FS2-Lucifer has Sreds and I don't think they can do enough damage for an Armageddon.
« Last Edit: January 15, 2012, 02:44:55 pm by Deadly in a Shadow »
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