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Offline Dragon

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You forget about locomotion issues. It'd be very difficult to make it move. Mechs make sense when they're rather small, because then, legs give them a mobility adventage. A tank can't step over thick vegetation and in urban or jungle warfare, it'd lose to a more agile mech. Just like it'd lose to a bunch of guys with rocket launchers flanking it. Walkers will never replace tanks, but could compliment them nicely, fitting in between infantry and armor. A medium-sized mech could, for example, stick it's cannon through a second story window and sweep a room there, something neither infantry nor conventional armor could do. Or climb a slope way too steep for a tank. This would also make mechs work well in mountainous terrain, where almost all conventional vehicles are completely useless (IIRC, mountain troops used donkeys and mules as pack animals as far as WWII, maybe even later). Mobile Suits from Gundam are a bit too big, but smaller mechs (slightly bigger than the ones from Avatar) could actually come in handy in difficult terrain.

 

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So if they'll succeed it will not be that long for a Colony Drop eh?
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I remember having a very in-depth and good discussion on IRC with a few other 'mech-heads about the reasonability and (dis)advantages of a walking war machine. Specifically, we were talking Battletech, and an interesting observation emerged: in that universe, 'mechs rule the battlefields due to the higher-end equipment fitted to the machines. Apparently nobody ever thought to put a fusion reactor and top-notch guns and armor on a tank, and yet there are some tanks that can readily give many 'mechs a cold sweat with their "inferior" equipment. (Don't ask me for specifics this was a while ago and I'm not super-familiar with the universe)
i know most of my BT knowledge comes from the MW4:Mercs game, but how often did you get infront of a ****ton of myrmidons? overall, i died more from the various tanks in that game than i did from mechs...
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My understanding is that in BT, Vehicle weaponry is identical to mech weaponary
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You forget about locomotion issues. It'd be very difficult to make it move. Mechs make sense when they're rather small, because then, legs give them a mobility adventage. A tank can't step over thick vegetation and in urban or jungle warfare, it'd lose to a more agile mech. Just like it'd lose to a bunch of guys with rocket launchers flanking it. Walkers will never replace tanks, but could compliment them nicely, fitting in between infantry and armor. A medium-sized mech could, for example, stick it's cannon through a second story window and sweep a room there, something neither infantry nor conventional armor could do. Or climb a slope way too steep for a tank. This would also make mechs work well in mountainous terrain, where almost all conventional vehicles are completely useless (IIRC, mountain troops used donkeys and mules as pack animals as far as WWII, maybe even later). Mobile Suits from Gundam are a bit too big, but smaller mechs (slightly bigger than the ones from Avatar) could actually come in handy in difficult terrain.

How do you expect mechs to walk up difficult terrain when small robots can't even walk up a flight of stairs?
Think about all the balance issues.
If a Mech took a hit to the leg, it's finished.

Power armor? Hah! if the power source goes down, the soldier is trapped inside with no way to get out!
And guess what else? There's no energy shielding in real life my friend.

Save all this science fiction talk for the movies. The simple fact is, our military will never get more advanced than it is now. We're at our technological peak right now, and if something happens, we'll be thrown into the dark age of technology.

I don't think we'll be seeing any revolutionary breakthroughs in space or military tech anytime soon, and I'm inclined to say our advances in computing are also coming to an end.


Although..... I will admit one thing.
If you had powered armor that would give you the strength to carry around a minigun, you'd be immortal.

 

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Save all this science fiction talk for the movies. The simple fact is, our military will never get more advanced than it is now.

Get the **** out.

 

Offline Polpolion

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How do you expect mechs to walk up difficult terrain when small robots can't even walk up a flight of stairs?
Think about all the balance issues.
If a Mech took a hit to the leg, it's finished.

Power armor? Hah! if the power source goes down, the soldier is trapped inside with no way to get out!
And guess what else? There's no energy shielding in real life my friend.

Save all this science fiction talk for the movies. The simple fact is, our military will never get more advanced than it is now. We're at our technological peak right now, and if something happens, we'll be thrown into the dark age of technology.

I don't think we'll be seeing any revolutionary breakthroughs in space or military tech anytime soon, and I'm inclined to say our advances in computing are also coming to an end.


Although..... I will admit one thing.
If you had powered armor that would give you the strength to carry around a minigun, you'd be immortal.

This post is silly but not quite something that you wouldn't say - I will give you the benefit of the doubt and ask you to stop trolling.

 

Offline FlamingCobra

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Isn't my point about the leg a valid point?

 

Offline Scotty

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It is in today's technological framework.

That's not why you need to get the **** out of the thread though.

 

Offline Polpolion

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I doubt legs are as much of  a weak point as people make them seem. Sure they're bound to be pretty delicate but think about where they are - legs on a mech will be about as high as any modern armoured vehicle and much smaller in profile, not to mention moving in a much stranger fashion than modern armor. You're going to have a hard time hitting them unless you toss around a huge volume of ordinance. It's an issue that will have to be addressed, but I think there are bigger issues that need to be confronted with mechs.

 

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How do you expect mechs to walk up difficult terrain when small robots can't even walk up a flight of stairs?
Think about all the balance issues.

Yeah, because there have never been any advances or attempts to improve this.
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Offline Dragon

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How do you expect mechs to walk up difficult terrain when small robots can't even walk up a flight of stairs?
Think about all the balance issues.
Except that small robots are expected to do them by themselves. A human can easily move the mech's legs in a much more complex way than robots do. Of course, a better control system than a joystick would be needed for this, preferably some sort of motion capture. This technology is developing at a rapid pace, so it might soon become feasible.
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If a Mech took a hit to the leg, it's finished.
Go start up ArmA II and try to deliberately score a hit to the leg on an enemy soldier. Or go to a firing range with moving targets, and then imagine the movement is completely unpredictable. Hitting a leg is even more difficult than disabling a tank thread.
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Power armor? Hah! if the power source goes down, the soldier is trapped inside with no way to get out!
It should be possible to rig an emergency release system for the armor. It's definitely doable.
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And guess what else? There's no energy shielding in real life my friend.
A little behind the times on this one. (of course it isn't feasible yet, but it's speculation)
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Save all this science fiction talk for the movies. The simple fact is, our military will never get more advanced than it is now. We're at our technological peak right now, and if something happens, we'll be thrown into the dark age of technology.

I don't think we'll be seeing any revolutionary breakthroughs in space or military tech anytime soon, and I'm inclined to say our advances in computing are also coming to an end.
"Everything that could be invented has been invented already." -various people, all of them wrong. Every time somebody says something like that, a completely new, potentially revolutionary invention was invented within his lifetime. The only thing such talking accomplishes is preventing you from making progress yourself. In fact, I do expect a breakthrough in military tech once people would switch from Cold War era design philosophy to one more suited for modern warfare (this is happening, but too slow for my liking).
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Although..... I will admit one thing.
If you had powered armor that would give you the strength to carry around a minigun, you'd be immortal.
A power-armored trooper wielding a minigun would make an awesome recruiting poster, that's for sure. :)

 

Offline Mikes

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I see a niche.... crowd/riot control...  compared to a run of the mill MBT... a bipedal mech is a huge deal more scary and impressive to an ordinary human being at it's feet.
Also, gives the operator a great vantage point to observe what is happening in a full scale riot.

And ya know what? That armor may not stop a shell or even bullet... but it is gonna work splendidly against any kind of thrown rock or bottle...


Makes actually sense that the Chinese regime (with their overpopulation problem) would be developing it if that is the intended purpose.
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Yeah, it'd be good for riot duty for similar reasons it'd be good for urban warfare, plus the aforementioned psychological reasons. Though this might be a bit too expensive for police forces to afford.

 

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I see a niche.... crowd/riot control...  compared to a run of the mill MBT... a bipedal mech is a huge deal more scary and impressive to an ordinary human being at it's feet.
Also, gives the operator a great vantage point to observe what is happening in a full scale riot.

And ya know what? That armor may not stop a shell or even bullet... but it is gonna work splendidly against any kind of thrown rock or bottle...


Makes actually sense that the Chinese regime (with their overpopulation problem) would be developing it if that is the intended purpose.




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you know robotics tech is always advancing, and with enough sensor data control theory and a little ik you can make a walker that is fast and agile. the main problem is control. i made the point the other day that a computer with billions of transistors will not be as good at walking than a brain with trillions of neurons. but if the stuff coming out of darpa is any indication, its a problem we will likely be able to solve.

there are a couple things though. maintenance will likely be more expensive than in wheeled vehicles. more moving parts means more that can go wrong. also i dont think the role for mechs will be front line combat unit. the walkers and powered exoskeleton type suits ("power armor" is kind of a misnomer as the thing just makes you stronger and improves your battlefield endurance, its not a forcefield). with what we've seen come out of darpa in recent years have all had an infantry support role. they carry your gear, your ammo, etc, and for exoskeletons you, a bigger gun, more ammo, maybe some armor, and twice the gear of your standard foot soldier. weve got some way to go before that is used in a front line situation. i also want to point out the complete lack of stealth. a soldier can always get down into some cover, if your strapped into a walker good luck doing that, you had better hope your armor is tougher than their guns, because guess where every enemy weapon will be pointed, right at your toaster ass.

now scale it up to something the size of a tank. you are now tall enough so the enemy has to aim up at you. from the elevated height you will be able to see infantry in their foxholes and deliver ammo upon them. but that wont be your job. no your job will be to shoot at other tanks and walkers. they put billions into the thing and they want their moneys worth. say you have a machine that can walk rough terrain and do it quickly and quietly. but in the case of a bipedal walker you have a much less stable platform than something on treads. since you have less surface in contact with the ground at any given time you better not take it through sand, in swamps or any ground that cant support it. the mech stands up 20 feet high, so it has a highly visible cross section to the guys with rpgs or the a-10s overhead (your entire mech sits in the gau-8's cone of fire nicely). apply the damage of a modern rpg shape charge, or a heavy caliber gun firing depleted uranium shells (or any other armor penetrating round) that can liquify bits of your legs on impact. however your worst enemy will be guerrilla fighters with good intel, shovels and camo nets.
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