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Re: (Long read) What do you think of this guy? Nutcase? I guess we'll find out...
i don't think this guy is concerned about looking like a complete idiot
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Re: (Long read) What do you think of this guy? Nutcase? I guess we'll find out...
Here's what I don't get:

Why?   Why would anyone make a claim unless they were 99.99999% sure of the probability of either being right, or of something else equally cool going on that can't be explained by the know parameters of the universe?

List of guys you should ask

The guys who claimed cold fusion worked
The guy who claimed water had a memory
Anyone who has ever claimed to have a perpetual motion machine
Anyone who has ever claimed to have a >100% efficient machine


Honourable mentions

Everyone at the lab who claimed they'd gotten neutrinos to break the speed of light (at least they had the honesty to say "We've probably ****ed up, we just can't figure out where")
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Re: (Long read) What do you think of this guy? Nutcase? I guess we'll find out...
If you know that you have something that can turn our current understanding of Physics (or any other science) absolutely upside-down, then you publish your findings in peer-reviewed literature, have them confirmed/refuted, and if confirmed, you win your Nobel Prize and universal praise for dramatically improving our model of reality.

If you're an attention-whore, hoping to get people's panties wet, or a special breed of conspiracy theorist, then you claim that you have something that can turn our current understanding of Physics (or any other science) absolutely upside-down but that it must be kept secret, because it'd be dangerous if it fell into the wrong hands.

If you're just a huge troll, you claim that you have a DeLorean with a space-time-bending device (bonus points if the device is powered by a generator that runs on stale beer), sandwich that claim in a metric ton of bull****, and have an enormous laugh at the people who believe you.  Con-artists will take the additional step of selling copies of the device in a form that you can attach to your car's engine to "improve its fuel economy."

 

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Re: (Long read) What do you think of this guy? Nutcase? I guess we'll find out...
Hmm.

I can sort of see perhaps a circumstance where the stainless steel body would help.  But I can't see actually telling people that until after you've been confirmed as legitimate.  'cause otherwise you would definitely come off as ... yeah, a nutjob/troll.

Also, the effect being 'invisible to radar' bothers the heck out of me.  'Cause he specifically stated that the cop was glancing between his radar gun and the car, confused.  Orly?  So his warp device only effects certain frequencies?

I think the only reason I bothered posting this was 1) he claimed to have received state and city awards numerous times, and to be involved in helping students see problems that PhD's couldn't.  Seems verifiable enough, so I posted hoping someone could either trounce that or confirm it.  2) He takes ridiculous claims, multiplies it by two, and then highlights it in brilliant colors... That to me seems counter-productive if you are trying to fool people.  Sure you'll get some people to believe you, but those are the people that believe anything anyways.  So the only other explanation I can think of is either a) he's right, knows it, and doesn't give two flying rat's asses about how he looks or b) he's a complete nutjob that believes his own fairy tales.

Also, I keep thinking that any member of the press publishing his stuff would have some measure of self-respect and try to verify the facts.  Otherwise, that kind of makes you part of the nutjob crowd if he's proven a flake.  Right?

 

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Re: (Long read) What do you think of this guy? Nutcase? I guess we'll find out...
BTW jr2, I've got a bridge I'm selling. Only $1000 and it's yours. :p
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Re: (Long read) What do you think of this guy? Nutcase? I guess we'll find out...
I've seen the Bridge, and can vouch for its awesomeness. At 1000$, it's a really good deal.

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Re: (Long read) What do you think of this guy? Nutcase? I guess we'll find out...
See, I can understand trying to sell someone something that is worthless.  You end up with money, which is not worthless, and they take the loss.

But where is the value in getting people to believe you have discovered something awesome?  Unless you get some sort of high on feeling important for a short while or something.  But that kind of backfires when they discover you're a fraud.

 

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Re: (Long read) What do you think of this guy? Nutcase? I guess we'll find out...
Which is why you need to stop paying them any attention earlier on. They generally don't give a **** about the backfire cause they'll come up with something else that a new bunch of idiots will fall for.

In the meanwhile they get interviewed and made to feel important. They might even make some cash out of it.


Basically it's simple. If it's not in a peer reviewed journal and never has been, just walk away.
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Re: (Long read) What do you think of this guy? Nutcase? I guess we'll find out...
I guess.  I think that people like that have missed their calling.  They should all have become politicians!  Then at least even the majority wouldn't see anything unusual about their crummy behavior.  :ick:

 

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Re: (Long read) What do you think of this guy? Nutcase? I guess we'll find out...
See, I can understand trying to sell someone something that is worthless.  You end up with money, which is not worthless, and they take the loss.

But where is the value in getting people to believe you have discovered something awesome?  Unless you get some sort of high on feeling important for a short while or something.  But that kind of backfires when they discover you're a fraud.

you're over thinking this.  nutjobs and pathological liars don't need reasons.  and aftereffects are certainly not a concern.
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Re: (Long read) What do you think of this guy? Nutcase? I guess we'll find out...
you get some sort of high on feeling important

Let me tell you about human nature.
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Basically it's simple. If it's not in a peer reviewed journal and never has been, just walk away.

It isn't that simple. Plenty of stuff doesn't become public until years later. I'm sorry, but plenty of R&D contract work is secret for very good reasons. I confess that I have frighteningly low amount of publications compared to the active time in the scientific field - but that doesn't mean I haven't done anything.

What it comes to this guy, he sounds like a real life example of Goebbels principle: if they don't swallow your story from the get go, just tell a bigger story
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Re: (Long read) What do you think of this guy? Nutcase? I guess we'll find out...
Sounds like a legend in his own mind mostly... I seriously doubt this will amount of anything. Any sort of giant leap of technology is unfounded... small incremental steps is usually what happens. Even the atomic bomb and nuclear energy, widely hailed as a major shift in power and technology was something that happened over decades of theory and research and eventually political will (driven out of wartime considerations) to make it happen. It didn't just pop up out of nowhere. Neither did the Internet. So... suddenly this guy has warp technology of some kind? From where? I guess the best happy accidental invention was the creation of vulcanized rubber... but we already had the rubber... it just sucked.
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Re: (Long read) What do you think of this guy? Nutcase? I guess we'll find out...
Maybe I'm biased, but if the hair says 'Mad', the science is Bad... ;)

 

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Re: (Long read) What do you think of this guy? Nutcase? I guess we'll find out...
It isn't that simple. Plenty of stuff doesn't become public until years later. I'm sorry, but plenty of R&D contract work is secret for very good reasons. I confess that I have frighteningly low amount of publications compared to the active time in the scientific field - but that doesn't mean I haven't done anything.

Exactly, it stays secret. You can't talk about it.

So when someone is talking about it, but hasn't published it, and doesn't have a working version you can actually see, you know it's bull****.
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Re: (Long read) What do you think of this guy? Nutcase? I guess we'll find out...
Well, I was kind of thinking of how microwaves were supposedly discovered... IIRC one of the ppl working on the early radar systems noticed that the chocolate bar in his pocket had melted or somesuch.  Basically, the tech was already there as a byproduct of an earlier invention, he just stumbled across it's existence, and ofc then research and refining of the new tech ensued.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_oven   (First microwave oven was called the 'Radarange' - :lol: )

Although I suppose the chances are pretty slim.  Especially coming from this guy.  Too much 'I', not enough sources, methinks.

EDIT: Although, it's interesting to note, that the existence of microwaves was predicted in 1864 by James Clerk Maxwell :doubt: So it wasn't really a such a sudden discovery, more like a sudden pinpointing of what we had known should exist for some time.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave

 

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Re: (Long read) What do you think of this guy? Nutcase? I guess we'll find out...
Also worth noting that there's a difference between microwaves and microwave ovens. We knew about the waves, just not about adapting them to heat food. So I think that still falls in line with the whole "incremental progress" thing.
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Re: (Long read) What do you think of this guy? Nutcase? I guess we'll find out...
Ha...apparently one of the first things Percy Spencer tried to cook with microwaves was an oven, which wound up exploding in his face.  It's nice to know that microwave mishaps started right at the very beginning. :D

 

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Re: (Long read) What do you think of this guy? Nutcase? I guess we'll find out...
egg, not oven.  :p