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Offline Luis Dias

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Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Kinetic is a useless and ****ty gadget when it comes to gaming. Fullstopperiod.

http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/kinect-disconnect

The funny thing is that the video argues in a perpendicular tangent of your comment.

 

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Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Kinetic is a useless and ****ty gadget when it comes to gaming. Fullstopperiod.

http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/kinect-disconnect

The funny thing is that the video argues in a perpendicular tangent of your comment.
The real funny thing is that it underlines exactly why the kinetic is a ****ty device for gaming, doing nothing but strengthing my point. Hell, it even ends on the note of "Its **** now, but lets encourage experimenting with it so that it might become useful for a number of applications, even if games dont end up being one of the first places to use them well."

No one here is obligated to judge an item's value the same way you do, even if it's you they're talking to.

Edit: you know what, before spoon gets here again I will satiate him and say that I agree with him 100%, the kinect is a poor game controller, and it is likely that this will not work well in that fashion either. But I stand by everything else I said as well.
Yayifications for the edit.

For the people that need a laugh about how awful the kinetic works for games:
http://youtu.be/VxKRBUzElTU?hd=1

SPOON: I was talking about the HOLOGRAM research, just because (like NATAL, how many remember that name?) it can't be used for the ****ty mainstream games of now days, it does NOT mean they can't be used for anything else!

Hell, it might not even be useful for a gamer but perhaps for a next generation communications platform or something, think openly, it's not only about gaming! (which if it continues to decline like it has I might forsake all together.)
Dude, bro. Where did you ever see me argue against that? All I ever said is that the kinetic is a ****ty useless gadget for gaming. Only z64555 seems to think differently.
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Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
I heard that another good use for Kinect are exercise "games", basically virtual gym trainers. The thing has it's uses, just not for mainstream gaming. It's the same as with most controllers, really. When was the last time you used a joystick in anything else than a flight game (a dying genre, BTW)? Kinect is recent, so there are few games made for it, and the genres where it can shine simply haven't developed yet.

Also, my dad has an example of even more bizzare and "useless" controller. It's a gizmo which you put on three of your fingers, and which monitors your pulse (among other things). It's essentially a meditation aid, but he's got at least one game where it's used. The gameplay is unusual, to say the least. For example, there's a place where you have to shot an arrow at something, and you have to generally calm down to get a steady aim. I suspect that this kind of games, along with sports ones, could also exploit Kinect to it's full potential (in fact, combining this pulse control device with a light gun and Kinect could produce an excellent sport shooting trainer).

 

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Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
can we remove ourselves from the whole kinect thing guys as from my understanding of the OP it actually has very little to do with the Kinnect in it's current incarnation. The tech concept being discussed by my understanding works more like a 360*360 degree display using projectors and a little spacial mapping to compensate for image distortion in the projection cause by you 7.1 speakers and the spair chair in the corner of the room.

think of it like this.  you are playing freespace 2 (unlikely on an xbox but hear me out) suddenly your right shealds start taking a beating.  as it is you either have to change selected targets, turn your fighter or if you are one of the few here to have trackir or similar move your head to identify what is shooting you and if it is enough of a threat to change targets.  with this the latter is available to anyone with the system and you dont even need any funky head gear to do it. 

tbh that aspect is very doable with current tech and a little R&D to tie it all together into a functional unit.  if it ever hits the market will MS fleas us for it? yes, will it be better to have a dedicated gaming room with minimal furnature? yes but they dont detract that when you think about it this is not such a crazy concept
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Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Call me once they invent a REAL holodeck.

Of course, once that happens society will collapse. Starting with movie and porn industry.

They would have to wash out the holodeck with a hose every night.
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Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
For the people that need a laugh about how awful the kinetic works for games:
http://youtu.be/VxKRBUzElTU?hd=1

Whoever thought of those specific gestures in combination with the use of the controller is the one at fault.

From what I gathered, when the guy stops doing a gesture and starts handling the controller and puts it in front of him, you can see that he makes what looks like a "push back" gesture. For the rest, he is mostly right. The Kinect as it was, was not precise enough to handle all those different inputs.
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Offline Luis Dias

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Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Kinetic is a useless and ****ty gadget when it comes to gaming. Fullstopperiod.

http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/kinect-disconnect

The funny thing is that the video argues in a perpendicular tangent of your comment.
The real funny thing is that it underlines exactly why the kinetic is a ****ty device for gaming, doing nothing but strengthing my point. Hell, it even ends on the note of "Its **** now, but lets encourage experimenting with it so that it might become useful for a number of applications, even if games dont end up being one of the first places to use them well."

It's the difference between staying low and be glad with mediocrity and safe bets, or risking high and crashing down a few times before flying in the sky.

I'm glad the Wright Brothers weren't as cynical as you are being now. But I can still hear his critics: "What a crappy transportation device you have there! It flies for 30 meters before wrecking itself up! Hilarious ****, these fools are just wasting our time"

 

Offline -Sara-

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Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Personally I'm more exciting about outdoor digital intuitive games, for example on a city square. I imagine moving past some markers on the square and suddenly lights, projections and sounds are triggered. There's always someone else that moves past a similar marker or such at the same time opposite of you on the square. A game, which is really simple and therefor intuitive (like Pong, Tic-Tac-Toe, simplified Go) starts and the simplicity of the game by itself makes very clear how it is played (Paida rather than Ludus). It cannot be won and it is played by still moving towards wherever you were going, by interacting with the other person passing by. It's fun, good for a laugh and you didn't know that was there or about to happen.

This 'holodeck' dream of Microsoft, while silly by itself, can lead to an example as the above being put into practise, financed by the city itself as a piece of 'digital interactive art'. Sometimes you got to make something silly and crazy which you know won't work or sell, to get new workable ideas which you can put to practise, gained during the process of making something.
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Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
It's the difference between staying low and be glad with mediocrity and safe bets, or risking high and crashing down a few times before flying in the sky.

I'm glad the Wright Brothers weren't as cynical as you are being now. But I can still hear his critics: "What a crappy transportation device you have there! It flies for 30 meters before wrecking itself up! Hilarious ****, these fools are just wasting our time"
Because *every* new invention is going to be the tool of tomorrow, right?
Remember how rad the powerglove was? we sure are using this device today for all our gaming needs and it plays a great part in all our other daily activities!
Using the kinetc for gaming is like using an axe for digging. It's just a bad tool for the job and there are plenty of nicely shaped shovels out there that are better suited for it.
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Offline -Sara-

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Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Even though it was a bad invention, Spoon, how do you think cars today would look if companies did not make smooth-shaped-mean-looking concept cars, with all kinds of gimmicks in it? They'd still all be square and angular, like the old Fiat Panda or Trabant and probably wouldn't have automatic braking, adjusting carlights and what not. Sure, everyone laughs at the concept car and only few would want to drive it, but the innovating shape and new gadgets onboard are used for ordinary cars, to make them more modern. :)

Screw-ups allow people to reflect on what works and what does not, but I do agree that Microsoft relied far too much on the idea that the kinect would be succesful by default. Still, nice things may come from all that. Let's hope Microsoft learned of the Kinect and does not throw 5 million holodecks onto the market all at once without selling them.
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Offline Luis Dias

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Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
It's the difference between staying low and be glad with mediocrity and safe bets, or risking high and crashing down a few times before flying in the sky.

I'm glad the Wright Brothers weren't as cynical as you are being now. But I can still hear his critics: "What a crappy transportation device you have there! It flies for 30 meters before wrecking itself up! Hilarious ****, these fools are just wasting our time"
Because *every* new invention is going to be the tool of tomorrow, right?

Congrats, you got it exactly backwards. It's precisely because there's an enormous uncertainty of whether something will work out or not.

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Remember how rad the powerglove was? we sure are using this device today for all our gaming needs and it plays a great part in all our other daily activities!

I always thought the powerglove DOA. The Kinect, however, has sold more than 20 million. That's more than 2 billion dollars of revenue. Yeah, it is exactly like the Powerglove. OH WAIT IT ISN'T.

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Using the kinetc for gaming is like using an axe for digging. It's just a bad tool for the job and there are plenty of nicely shaped shovels out there that are better suited for it.

Right. Well, if you say so, who am I to disagree.

 

Offline Spoon

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Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Right. Well, if you say so, who am I to disagree.
Me and *everyone else* in this thread says so smartass.

But I wish you a great deal of fun playing the great lineup of kinect games, Luis.
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Offline Luis Dias

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Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Me and *everyone else* in this thread says so smartass.

Did you even bothered to read the thread you are furiously replying to?

Clearly you didn't.

 

Offline Spoon

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Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Me and *everyone else* in this thread says so smartass.

Did you even bothered to read the thread you are furiously replying to?

Clearly you didn't.
Holy ****. Really? Did *you* read it? I am seriously about to just accuse you of trolling at this point.

Since you clearly *can't* read I'll quote a few people from this thread:
Yet-Another-Useless-Gadget, much like Kinect was to begin with. 'Nuff said.
Like the Nintendo DS, Nintendo Wii and Microsoft Kinect, this idea has a great deal of potential, but sadly most of that potential will be squandered on worthless gimmicks rather then anything that would actually add to gameplay experience.
The kinetic is about as useless for mainstream gaming as the joystick is right now.

The lack of widespread adoption of both devices dictates that developers waste their time doing things that the majority of gamers will actually use. If on the other hand the kinetic had been bundled with every XBox...
Edit: you know what, before spoon gets here again I will satiate him and say that I agree with him 100%, the kinect is a poor game controller, and it is likely that this will not work well in that fashion either. But I stand by everything else I said as well.
Kinect, open thread

Kinect, reply to post

Kinect -

****

seriously come on

KINECT OPEN FRUIT NINJAS

How much more proof do you need that you are alone in your "kinetc is actually a good gaming input device" argument?
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Offline Luis Dias

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Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
That's not even... sigh... whatever Spoon. Whatever.

 

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Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Me and *everyone else* in this thread says so smartass.

Did you even bothered to read the thread you are furiously replying to?

Clearly you didn't.
Holy ****. Really? Did *you* read it? I am seriously about to just accuse you of trolling at this point.

Since you clearly *can't* read I'll quote a few people from this thread:
Yet-Another-Useless-Gadget, much like Kinect was to begin with. 'Nuff said.
Like the Nintendo DS, Nintendo Wii and Microsoft Kinect, this idea has a great deal of potential, but sadly most of that potential will be squandered on worthless gimmicks rather then anything that would actually add to gameplay experience.
The kinetic is about as useless for mainstream gaming as the joystick is right now.

The lack of widespread adoption of both devices dictates that developers waste their time doing things that the majority of gamers will actually use. If on the other hand the kinetic had been bundled with every XBox...
Edit: you know what, before spoon gets here again I will satiate him and say that I agree with him 100%, the kinect is a poor game controller, and it is likely that this will not work well in that fashion either. But I stand by everything else I said as well.
Kinect, open thread

Kinect, reply to post

Kinect -

****

seriously come on

KINECT OPEN FRUIT NINJAS

How much more proof do you need that you are alone in your "kinetc is actually a good gaming input device" argument?

Kinect is good in concept and works well when employed correctly, albeit it needs a little refinement, the problem is that is dosnt work well with the traditional sit on your arse gaming.  It's like saying a a stearing wheel is a load of rubish as a concept because it is less than optimal for FPS games.
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Offline Spoon

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Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
That's not even... sigh... whatever Spoon. Whatever.
No see, that is *exactly it*
Cause if it isn't, what exactly are you trying to argue? That the device might have a use outside of gaming? Cause if you are trying to argue that then you've proven that your reading skills are again subpar.

If not, I have no idea what exactly you are trying to argue. Just that you seem to be disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing. aka trolling

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Offline Luis Dias

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Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
It's a ridiculous discussion, and I forfeit it. I'm not going to spend more neurons on defending something I don't even care that much about.

 

Offline Polpolion

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Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
oh lol. congratulations spoon, you win!

 

Offline Luis Dias

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Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
oh lol. congratulations spoon, you win!

And no single **** was given.