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Traditionally, Jews and Christians were honored in Muslim society as being partially enlightened, but the radical interpretations used by the terrorist organizations disregard this.


What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? The question was about whether the God of Judaisim/Christianity and the god of Islam are one and the same.

And currently, new Christians in Muslim countries live in fear for their lives, because if they are found out, they will be imprisoned, tortued, and put to death.

One thing that bothers me is that people call these terrorists "Islamic Fundamentalists", or "Islamic Extremists", and go on about how Islam is a religion of peace. Bull.

The Muslims living in the Western world are not your "average" Muslim. They are (in general) very nice people, who have forgone some of the basic tenets of their religion in order to live peacefully in western society. But taking them as an example of the Islamic faith is like measuring the rainfall by placing a cup under a leafy tree. What little water you get in that cup is filtered by the leaves of the western world.

To get a true example of a "standard" Muslim, one must "go to the mountain" - the Middle East, wherein dwell all those crazy, extremist Islamic factions. {/sarcasam}

Those are the ones who follow the Koran. The label of "extremists" is in error, but the label of "fundamentalists" is suprisingly accurate. They adhere to the fundamentals of their religion.

Now don't get me wrong - I'm not saying that every "true" Muslim is a terrorist - not at all. But those terrorist acts against Judaisim and Christianity (did you truly think the current conflict in Israel and the 9/11 attacks, respectively, were anything else?) line up with the directives in the Koran just fine.

So don't tell me that Allah and Yahweh are one and the same.
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As a non-practicing atheist, I find this rather amusing. :D
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Originally posted by Shrike
As a non-practicing atheist, I find this rather amusing. :D


Glad I could be of service....

Uhm.... What the heck is a non-practicing atheist???
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"...The quintessential quality of our age is that of dreams coming true. Just think of it. For centuries we have dreamt of flying; recently we made that come true: we have always hankered for speed; now we have speeds greater than we can stand: we wanted to speak to far parts of the Earth; we can: we wanted to explore the sea bottom; we have: and so  on, and so on: and, too, we wanted the power to smash our enemies utterly; we have it. If we had truly wanted peace, we should have had that as well. But true peace has never been one of the genuine dreams - we have got little further than preaching against war in order to appease our consciences. The truly wishful dreams, the many-minded dreams are now irresistible - they become facts." - 'The Outward Urge' by John Wyndham

"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill

 

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Originally posted by sandwich
Uhm.... What the heck is a non-practicing atheist???
I'm a natural.  I don't need practice. :D
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Originally posted by Shrike
I'm a natural.  I don't need practice. :D


No, really - I'm intrigued by your self-definition. Non-practicing generally referrs to something that isn't taken seriously enough to be bothered with on a day-to-day basis, so what's it referring to in this case? Your atheism or something else?

Shrike..... have you been slipping in your daily atheistic devotionals - again? Tsk tsk... you must be getting careless... :lol:
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill

 

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Well, the definition of an atheist is basically one who defines their sprituality by defying the existence of a/the diety(ies).  But I see no real need to do that, so I'm non-practicing.
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Originally posted by Shrike
Well, the definition of an atheist is basically one who defines their sprituality by defying the existence of a/the diety(ies).  But I see no real need to do that, so I'm non-practicing.


Ahh - clear as mud. :D j/k
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill

 

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What's there to explain?

I don't feel the need to express my spirituality by the denial of 'higher powers.'  :D
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What's there to explain?

I don't feel the need to express my spirituality by the denial of 'higher powers.'  :D


Is that because you don't feel the need for spirituality at all? ;)
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill

 

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Not really, no.  I prefer rationality or at least an understanding of human nature.
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[size=8] ALL YOUR RELIGON ARE BELONG TO US!!!![/size]

Allah is the muslim name for Jehovah. you could say that they are the same.



...but you'd be wrong :p
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Spirituality is equal to inconsistency as far as I care. :p and also, my imaginary man is better than your imaginary man! |-|4\/\/ |-|4\/\/ |-|4\/\/! :D

 

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ALL YOUR RELIGON ARE BELONG TO US!!!!


ROFL!!

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Allah is the muslim name for Jehovah. you could say that they are the same.



...but you'd be wrong :p


Not quite... the literal word "allah" in Arabic would be translated as "God". Yaweh, which in Hebrew is the equivalent letters to YHVH or YHWH, does not quite have an equivalent. "Y" in Hebrew has been translated in many versions of the Bible into a "J", hence you have Jehovah, Joshua, Jeremiah and Jesus. Hebrew doesn't have a real "J", so basically everywhere you see "J" in a Hebrew/Biblical name, know that it's really a "Y". Jesus's real name is pronounced in Hebrew "Yeshua".

Anyways, because of all that there can be "innocent" mix-ups, but make no mistake: the Allah that the Muslims worship is most definetly not YHWH.
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Anyways, because of all that there can be "innocent" mix-ups, but make no mistake: the Allah that the Muslims worship is most definetly not YHWH.

Yeah, Jehovah was much less "Slaughter your enemies".
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Oh, NO! This is turning into another religion thread!! :eek:

Okay, if CP starts his speeches again I'm gonna kill someone, and it won't be painless!! :D


Nah, not really. :p
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Oh, NO! This is turning into another religion thread!! :eek:

Okay, if CP starts his speeches again I'm gonna kill someone, and it won't be painless!! :D


Nah, not really. :p


Popcorn....check.
Cuppa tea...check.
Cranium....check.

*settles back to enjoy the show*

:headz:

 

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Popcorn....check.
Cuppa tea...check.
Cranium....check.

*settles back to enjoy the show*

:headz:


You forgot to check the poking sktick... :D
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You forgot to check the poking sktick... :D


I have a standard-issue HLP shotgun in the holster to my left ;)

 

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I have a standard-issue HLP shotgun in the holster to my left ;)


Ah, well. I guess you'll have to poke people with that then... :D
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We could just revive that old "OT - Religion..." thread if we want... :p
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