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Offline An4ximandros

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 Ship engineer's report 1.2- With the Galactica and it's escorts lost, my engineers are now analyzing the subversion entity we have code named The Machinima.
 The Machinima seems to infect vessels with some sort of particle beam that layers the target with techno-organic robots.
 Once these entities make contact with a compatible surface, they begin to absorb material and reconstruct the target structure.
 When they made contact with Galactica, they... used it's mass to form a network of turrets that... began to take over the ship!

 

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If you want to say it's the worst thing ever in the history of ever, an utter failure on every level, well, have a little perspective.

Except I was pretty clear that's not what I'm saying. There are worse things, sure - what I'm saying is that this thing is pretty bad as a sci-fi series and bloody terrible as a nBSG spinoff. In my opinion, even at it's worst, nBSG (or even Caprica) was way better than B&C. We can agree or disagree on that, but the bottom line is, you think it's passable, some of us think it's not, and I don't think we either can or should even try to convince each other of something that's subjective. In my personal opinion, after seeing the B&C pilot, I'm glad they axed it before it began because I'd much rather have the first Cylon War open to imagination than have this crap break continuity and introduce bad designs all over the place.

As for every level, weell..

Plot/writing: boring, cliche, mediocre at the best of times;
Characters: boring, cliche;
CGI: bad;
Art direction/designs: terrible.

Not sure how many other relevant levels are there, this is enough for me to label it as plain bad. It's not "Attack of the Clones" love story level of bad, but it's still bad :)
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I always read the baby neck snapping in the pilot as an act of inhuman mercy, the Six seemed pretty upset with it when she walked away.

 

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If you want to say it's the worst thing ever in the history of ever, an utter failure on every level

These are not equivalent things. Failing on every level does not automatically result in becoming the worst thing ever. I've watched a lot of things that fail on every level they set out to reach. It was one that actually succeeded in being everything it wanted to be which I'd consider the worst movie I've ever seen.
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Yeah being a failure on every level just means you made A Bad Show.

 
Re: [Spoilers] Blood & Chrome - The Discussion Thread
Why does the Tricia Helfer robot look like she prematurely ejaculated while talking to Becca?

 

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It wasn't good but I don't think it was entirely bad. The premise wasn't all that awful but it was poorly executed and had terrible dialogue. I kind of liked the idea of the ghost fleet but in all seriousness I would have preferred a straight up militaristic show for the first cylon war not all this cloak and dagger bs. There was enough of that in the first series.
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Honestly I wouldn't have that much of a problem with it minus two things that irritate me:
First war Valks
UBERGUN GALACTICA (in two variants?)

Okay and not a huge fan of the exploded versions of the sets...

There are things that are more video-gamey than I like.

Even Not-Six at the end wasn't *that* bad since it's still something on the road to the hybrids and could be fanoned into Cylons that are like the glowy-domed IL ones from the original show. (a priest-leader caste of the even more humanoid Cylons)
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Even Not-Six at the end wasn't *that* bad since it's still something on the road to the hybrids and could be fanoned into Cylons that are like the glowy-domed IL ones from the original show.

The idea of a more humanoid robot as a sort of a missing
link is fine. The design and execution? Far from it.
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I agree that it looked more like something from a game...
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I looked a lot like a Novus from "Universe at War: Earth Assault".

And for me it doesn't make much sense. If they wanted to build a robot that looks like a Human on the outside, that's very easy to do. Even with today's technology it is possible, so why this half assed attempt to make something look Human?

 

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You can't say it failed on every level.....the music was pretty good.
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The Good-
Loved the return of Tricia Helfer as Six. I don't know if that was new or saved dialog, but I was very happy when I heard her voice.

Decent twist

FRAKING GALACTICA

The Bad-

I was entirely expecting Adama to be given a beaten down Viper Mk II. Not only would it not retcon established canon, but would be a GREAT parallel to his command of the old run down Galactica in the series proper.

Mk III's suck

Coker drawing a gun on Adama felt cliche'

I wanted it to end with a shot of Edward James Olmos telling this story to someone (Tigh, Lee) just before The Fall. We can all use more EJO in our lives.


There was potential for this series. Get a few more decent writers on staff, nudge Syfy for a slightly bigger SFX budget, and this show could have been a nice action spinoff. Gods damn it.
« Last Edit: December 08, 2012, 08:53:32 am by NoSpin »

 

Offline An4ximandros

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Given the low quality over all and the lack of enthusiasm by syfi, it looks like this series will be no spinoff. Kind of a shame, but honestly, I got the feeling things were going to go badly as soon as I saw the Spamstar Gunlactica.

 

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I always read the baby neck snapping in the pilot as an act of inhuman mercy, the Six seemed pretty upset with it when she walked away.
I thought the same.

 
Re: [Spoilers] Blood & Chrome - The Discussion Thread
More fun and useful behind-the-scenes info from Doug Drexler's Facebook:

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On the Viper III

Ok... Viper explanation! The Vipers featured in B&C are MkIII's. MkII's and MkIII's are used concurrently in this time line. Each plane has different flight characteristics, making each useful for different purposes. The III is a heavier Viper, and can take greater punishment. The MkII is a little more maneuverable, but with a lighter armament load. It's a bit more of a sports car. All of the squadrons in that part of the hangar bay in B&C fly MkIII's. At some point, Bill will fall in love with the MkII... if enough people watch the show, and we get another order for further adventures : )

Sounds like the Mark II/Mark III split is kind of similar to the Viper/Assault Viper split in Diaspora. One's more of a nimble dogfighter, and the other has armor and missile bays.

There's a list of stations in Galactica's (enlarged?) CIC, but that's not really worth quoting in full unless someone's trying reverse-engineer the new set.

There's also a breakdown of a battlestar group. Interestingly, it describes the Osiris (then called the Reliant) as a "stealth frigate."

 

Offline Luis Dias

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The CGI work is a mess. It looks all crap. Frakkin amateurs can do a better job.

Speaking as a professional... go ahead. Thrill me.

Puh lease. It was barely better than Star Wreck. The colors were all wrong, the shots, the speed of the elements running the screen, the lighting. Bad bad bad bad bad bad

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It's mediocre, at worst. It's okay to damn it with faint praise, even to rip every sub-par element to shreds, but you don't need to go all-out that Blood and Chrome was worse than cancer, and raped your childhood, and all that nonsense. It just wasn't that great. Too bad. Better luck next time. Maybe you'll like the Bryan Singer movie.

Sure, it is "mediocre, at worst", which is a crime in itself given we are speaking about a spinoff of one of the best sci fi series of all frakkin time.

 

Offline SypheDMar

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BnC feels more like Starship Troopers than BSG. I kind of liked the twist, but then the ending disappointed me again. It'd be deeper if the Cylons really do just want to be left alone. But it seems like they want a genocide from the very beginning. Adama, Coker, and the admiral all feel like cartoon characters.

This show would be better off being a television show set in the BSG universe just like what they did with the MechWarrior TV show.

BnC is not mediocre. It's bad. Mediocre should at least be enjoyable for the first time. Watching this show just gets me frustrated by the following:

Plot
Character
Lensflare

 
Re: [Spoilers] Blood & Chrome - The Discussion Thread
The CGI work is a mess. It looks all crap. Frakkin amateurs can do a better job.

Speaking as a professional... go ahead. Thrill me.

Puh lease. It was barely better than Star Wreck. The colors were all wrong, the shots, the speed of the elements running the screen, the lighting. Bad bad bad bad bad bad

I'm not seeing comp'ed CGI on production stills of greenscreen sets. Is my browser having an error, or are you just flinging unsupportable insults and the doubling down on them because this is the internet and vitriol is an acceptable substitute for cleverness?

I can take a whack at it, if you don't feel up to it. I'm not strictly an amateur anymore, but it might be fun. Heck, everybody can get in on it. Have a good old "Photoshop this!" thread.

 

Offline Luis Dias

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cgc, there's more to CGI art than having a set of green walls and neat toys around you. If you disagree with my assessment on the utter terribadness of this show's CGI, then I'd guess we disagree with core values of aesthetics, production, management, etc., which is neither bad or good, just the way it is.

 There are some bits of the show which clearly show the makers didn't bother anymore such as the crash of the Raptor. Others it's annoyingly clear that the lens flares exist more to hide the awful CGI than as a matter of style preference. The color filters flooding the character faces are, time to time, just plain bad. The speed of the camera movements is uneven and the  artificialness of it all is like a stench that tries to rape your eyes in every scene. And yes in the insulting this show I can go on and on.