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Offline Nuke

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Re: Twenty states threaten to secede from US
collateral damage is inevitable in war. expecting it not to happen is delusional at best.
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Re: Twenty states threaten to secede from US
collateral damage is inevitable in war. expecting it not to happen is delusional at best.

So when did Congress declare war again?
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Re: Twenty states threaten to secede from US
america is always at war.
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Re: Twenty states threaten to secede from US
So when did Congress declare war again?

I'm sure Pearl Harbor wasn't the result of a war, after all no war was declared!

This is easily the most facetious argument you could have made against it.
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Re: Twenty states threaten to secede from US
collateral damage is inevitable in war. expecting it not to happen is delusional at best.

So when did Congress declare war again?

We have always been at war with Eurasia Eastasia.
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Re: Twenty states threaten to secede from US
On the subject of drones, all other things aside - Isn't it better to have drones than to have actual attack aircraft in the skies? Even with their sniper pods and all that stuff, they fly at incredible speeds and don't have the overview that would naturally come from flying a slower and more maneuverable aircraft like a drone. Without the drones, they wouldn't be able to strike as often and precisely, and given the overview thingy, I think civilian deaths would be even higher per strike.

 

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Re: Twenty states threaten to secede from US
On the subject of drones, all other things aside - Isn't it better to have drones than to have actual attack aircraft in the skies? Even with their sniper pods and all that stuff, they fly at incredible speeds and don't have the overview that would naturally come from flying a slower and more maneuverable aircraft like a drone. Without the drones, they wouldn't be able to strike as often and precisely, and given the overview thingy, I think civilian deaths would be even higher per strike.

:facepalm:

The thing about drone operations is that using one in support of ground troops is quite reasonable. After all, eyes in the sky can make a bit of difference, as can something that can engage targets without giving away the troop's position.

But.

If all you have are drones, if the only way to do target identification/verification is through a drone's onboard systems, the risk of killing innocents is much increased, especially considering that piloting a drone removes many of the inhibitions most people, soldiers included, have when being asked to kill people.

Armed Drones are a weapons system that has to be used responsibly. Blowing up things without being able to make a good confirmation of the attacks' effectiveness is not a good habit to get into.
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Re: Twenty states threaten to secede from US
Just to say that I found the argument "save the pilots' jobs" against drones hilarious. A+ in comedy gold man.

 

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Re: Twenty states threaten to secede from US

:facepalm:

If all you have are drones, if the only way to do target identification/verification is through a drone's onboard systems, the risk of killing innocents is much increased, especially considering that piloting a drone removes many of the inhibitions most people, soldiers included, have when being asked to kill people.

Armed Drones are a weapons system that has to be used responsibly. Blowing up things without being able to make a good confirmation of the attacks' effectiveness is not a good habit to get into.

Is the facepalm really necessary? I don't disagree by the way.
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Re: Twenty states threaten to secede from US
on the other hand drones can be hacked, pilots cant. at least not yet. the reason we've gotten away with using drones so far is that we have only been fighting technologically inferior foes. go up against the russians or even china, you will see the effectiveness of drones drop greatly. because they would just establish a hacker corps to break into drones and either crash them or turn em around on us.
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Re: Twenty states threaten to secede from US
on the other hand drones can be hacked, pilots cant. at least not yet. the reason we've gotten away with using drones so far is that we have only been fighting technologically inferior foes. go up against the russians or even china, you will see the effectiveness of drones drop greatly. because they would just establish a hacker corps to break into drones and either crash them or turn em around on us.

Isn't that what Iran has been doing to the drones that have veered into their territory a couple times? One has to wonder how the heck one would pull that off.

 

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Re: Twenty states threaten to secede from US
Just to say that I found the argument "save the pilots' jobs" against drones hilarious. A+ in comedy gold man.
Want more of that? Check Air Force Blues. The best strips regarding the drones aren't on this site (you can find them on this one), but it's all this kind of comedy.

 

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Re: Twenty states threaten to secede from US
on the other hand drones can be hacked, pilots cant. at least not yet. the reason we've gotten away with using drones so far is that we have only been fighting technologically inferior foes. go up against the russians or even china, you will see the effectiveness of drones drop greatly. because they would just establish a hacker corps to break into drones and either crash them or turn em around on us.

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Re: Twenty states threaten to secede from US
So uh... on topic... some of the petitions got the necessary number of signers to force Obama (or the executive department) to make a response, right? So what was the response? Or are they procrastinating on that?

 
Re: Twenty states threaten to secede from US
Petitions that acquire the necessary number of signatures get on a queue for review by the White House.

That queue is fairly long.
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And one can assume is handled by an unpaid intern. :p

 

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Re: Twenty states threaten to secede from US
I thought they did away with unpaid interns back in '96...
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Re: Twenty states threaten to secede from US
I think you're mistaking Clinton's comment that he'd found a new position for them. :p
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Re: Twenty states threaten to secede from US
I think you're mistaking Clinton's comment that he'd found a new position for them. :p
I'm not sure. Clinton must have been a tough boss, for sure. I've heard rumors about those poor interns having to lay on their knees to pass the internship. :lol: