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Offline Klaustrophobia

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Re: $500,000 and you can have a 1 way ticket to Mars
i'd go to find the nano forge
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Re: $500,000 and you can have a 1 way ticket to Mars
I'd go to join the Red Faction.
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Re: $500,000 and you can have a 1 way ticket to Mars
id nuke it
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Re: $500,000 and you can have a 1 way ticket to Mars
The write-out seems pretty sane, actually. 1:100K would consider making the trip and would have the money to do so. 80K people--more than enough genetics and manpower to kick-start a barren world. The real question would be what direction would a Mars colony take? With surface transportation and radiation shielding scarce, would it be based around agriculture or would it urbanize?
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Re: $500,000 and you can have a 1 way ticket to Mars
I just hope the colonists on Mars don't decide to do research into teleportation technologies. :nervous:
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Re: $500,000 and you can have a 1 way ticket to Mars
I just hope the colonists on Mars don't decide to do research into teleportation technologies. :nervous:
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Re: $500,000 and you can have a 1 way ticket to Mars
as far as radiation shielding goes i think we would be well off to find natural caves, and then proceed to reinforce and pressurize them. which should protect you from radiation. on the moon you could jest pile a thick layer of regolith on top of an inflatable structure. water also makes a good radiation shield, but you would likely need to extract it from the martian soil over time and wouldnt have it immediately on arrival. caves still make useful immediate shelter upon arrival with minimal modifications and materials.

we should probibly find a viable cave site with robotic rovers and plan its development long before we get there. caves sometimes tend to be unstable, so produce accurate 3d scans of them, then a prefab reinforcement lattice can be constructed on earth and then landed with other building materials and equipment on a robotic cargo ship. sprayable concrete would also go a long way to shoring up a cave, and most of the ingredients can be found on mars, just bring cement and water. you could also bring some kind of foam reinforcement which would be lighter and not require any local materials, but wont be as tough as concrete. you then just need to install an airlock.

you will probibly want a nuclear reactor to power tools, life support equipment, you could also use that power for a hydroponic grow room to grow dope food (probibly genetically modified), as setting up pressurized and radiation-shielded greenhouses would likely be a major construction project to be done at a later date. you probibly want infrastructure to produce structural steel, glass, reactor fuel, water (which can be converted to rocket fuel and oxygen with power, id use ntrs for the return ships so the oxygen can be used for breathing instead of burning), you will probibly also need chemical production facilities as well. you will also be relying on a continuous stream of heavy equipment from earth, since labor will initially be scarce.
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Offline BritishShivans

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Re: $500,000 and you can have a 1 way ticket to Mars
Nuke makes a good point. Also, the polar regions are probably the best possible candidate for a colony - you could establish a good underground colony, and plus the polar regions of Mars are rich in perchlorates, which are used in the production of rocket fuel, so these would be a great help. The ice water would be very useful for a hydroponics farm, which could be used as a source for both nitrogen/oxygen and food, although I imagine once appropriate greenhouses were established, the hydroponics would be used only for helping maintain a human-friendly atmosphere in the colony.

Although really I don't know why some people think about colonizing the equator. The equator of Mars is quite frankly a horrible place to establish a permanent human settlement.

 

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Re: $500,000 and you can have a 1 way ticket to Mars
equatorial sites are typically chosen because launch requirements (equatorial launches are more effitient), and they get more sunlight. of course with the reduced sunlight at mars you are better off just bringing a nuke reactor and growing with artificial light.
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Re: $500,000 and you can have a 1 way ticket to Mars
Nuke makes a good point. Also, the polar regions are probably the best possible candidate for a colony - you could establish a good underground colony, and plus the polar regions of Mars are rich in perchlorates, which are used in the production of rocket fuel, so these would be a great help. The ice water would be very useful for a hydroponics farm, which could be used as a source for both nitrogen/oxygen and food, although I imagine once appropriate greenhouses were established, the hydroponics would be used only for helping maintain a human-friendly atmosphere in the colony.

Although really I don't know why some people think about colonizing the equator. The equator of Mars is quite frankly a horrible place to establish a permanent human settlement.
It's cold and dusty and, unless you live in a low-altitude zone, very dry. At the lowest points on Mars, there is sufficient air pressure to prevent water from subliming. At the coldest points on Mars, it's sufficiently cold to prevent sublimation.

I'd imagine that polar ice caps would be the first places for bases. From there, hydroponic farms would be started. Eventually, infrastructure & resources pipelines could be build and new colonies could be built south (or north) of the polar bases.

Probably the largest advantage to landing near the equator is the minimal energy needed to translate an orbit and the maximum efficiency when launching due East.
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Re: $500,000 and you can have a 1 way ticket to Mars
Or someone could invest in terraforming technology which could solve the problem altogether

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Re: $500,000 and you can have a 1 way ticket to Mars
The problem with Mars goes far deeper than atmospheric density, the planet has no detectable magnetic field to shield it from the solar winds meaning what atmosphere that exists is being constantly eroded away, so you could release fresh sources of gasses into the atmosphere but slowly they will be blasted away.
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Re: $500,000 and you can have a 1 way ticket to Mars
****ing magnets.

 

Offline Nuke

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Re: $500,000 and you can have a 1 way ticket to Mars
what we need to do is go to the asteroid belt, put engines on some rocks, and slam them into mars until its a lava ball. wait for the surface to cool, and then terraform it. you should have magnetic fields nao.
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what we need to do is go to the asteroid belt, put engines on some rocks, and slam them into mars until its a lava ball. wait for the surface to cool, and then terraform it. you should have magnetic fields nao.

I have no idea how this works, but maybe you could just slam in one of the Martian moons to achieve that effect faster?

  

Offline An4ximandros

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Re: $500,000 and you can have a 1 way ticket to Mars
Nay, you need A LOT of rocks for what Nuke suggested...

Since the Asteroid belt IS technically an incomplete planet... why not pick the left over sol formation trash and recycle it? Nuke has a point.

 

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Re: $500,000 and you can have a 1 way ticket to Mars
Increasing Mars' mass would be a nice side effect too.

The question is, how long would it take to cool down sufficiently that it could be terraformed? Sounds like something on the order of several million years to me.

Building a giant mirror and colonising Venus sounds more practical.
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Offline watsisname

Re: $500,000 and you can have a 1 way ticket to Mars
Actually, most of the atmospheric loss on Mars is due to thermal escape (low gravity), rather than erosion via solar wind.  It's not that big of a deal on time scales worth worrying about.

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Since the Asteroid belt IS technically an incomplete planet... why not pick the left over sol formation trash and recycle it? Nuke has a point.

The total mass of the asteroid belt is not very significant -- less than 5% the mass of the moon.  Nowhere near enough to melt Mars if using feasible collision speeds.

And yeah, as Kara said you'd be waiting millions of years for the planet to cool down again, so that's a pretty long term investment.  Lol.
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Offline BritishShivans

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Re: $500,000 and you can have a 1 way ticket to Mars
The asteroid belt and Mars generally do seem to have a large fraction of the solar system's iron, though. Pity that they don't likely have many conductive or superconductive materials. From my own observations, it looks like Earth and the Moon are our only (plentiful) accessible source of heavier metals, radioactives and cool stuff at present.

It's pretty cool though - if we can get rid of the crazy greenies, and the silly people who think nuclear POWAH is EVIL because it makes your dick tiny or some nonsense like that, we actually probably won't really need to worry about our plutonium/any thing we can use for nuclear-related purposes for thousands of years, at the very least. It's just developing the task of developing the infrastructure. And training.

 

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Re: $500,000 and you can have a 1 way ticket to Mars
Take it from a Brit, sending your crazies or criminals to another country only results in them having a nicer country than you a couple of hundred years later. :p



Although sometimes you get nicer country full of crazies for double jeopardy.
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