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Offline Apollo

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Re: Purpose of the GTC Hyperion class?
*goes off to test it in FRED*

The TerPulse can still hit destroyers with a reasonable amount of accuracy 7 KM away (I changed its range, obviously). Some ships will be more affected than others--for example, a Demon gets hit by most of the shots, but a Ravana dodges a significant number of them.
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Re: Purpose of the GTC Hyperion class?
At 7km the firing cone is around 90m wide, more than accurate enough to consistently hit a destroyer.
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Re: Purpose of the GTC Hyperion class?
The Hyperion was one of the first TEI ships to go into production, and as such (I assume) it was more of a testbed for next-generation capital ship weaponry then a frontline combatant. However, think of this logically. The Hyperion, in comparison to the Aeolus, has the following advantages:

* Increased Automation: The Hyperion likely requires less crew to operate, just going by how technology advances in ~30 years/however big the time gap is
* Shrinking the Supply Line:  The Hyperion makes use of no kinetic weaponry, and as such does not need to be constantly rearmed as an Aeolus would.
* Efficiency: The Hyperion likely makes use of a revamped power grid, allowing for more powerful weapons/jump drives
* Increased Subspace Maneuverability: Again, borrowing from various tech entries/canon writing, the Hyperion likely features a next-generation jump drive allowing more frequent jumps
* Weapons Platform: The Hyperion's advanced power grid obviously allowed various new weapons technology to be installed and field-tested during the TEI's early days.

All-in-all, the Hyperion seems to be a superior weapon in terms of ship-ship combat, strike capability, and patrol capabilities but the slightly decreased AA capabilities leave the Aeolus as the superior sentry IMO. This seems to be congruent with the GTVA's general shift towards Shivan tactical mechanics, handing off increased AA responsibility to strike craft in exchange for the heavier capital-grade armaments seen on newer ships.
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Re: Purpose of the GTC Hyperion class?
It also looks a lot like a Taidaani destroyer, so that's cool.
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Re: Purpose of the GTC Hyperion class?
A butchered Taiidan destroyer, that is. And it's bloody hideous, too.

 

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Re: Purpose of the GTC Hyperion class?
The Hate Brigade strikes again...
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Re: Purpose of the GTC Hyperion class?
Yes.  :pimp:

We will make the GTVA AND the UEF fleets feel so bad about themselves they'll leave their posts and take a vacation - while the Shivans set ALL the backgrounds from Pretty to Seizure-Inducing!   :drevil:

 

Offline An4ximandros

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Re: Purpose of the GTC Hyperion class?
This is thread is under GTVA jurisdiction as per the Antares Convention, 2381. You posses no authority here Shivans. ;)

On topic: I though the Duke managed to do all those extra jumps because the Vishnans were keeping the ship from asploding?

 

Offline Mars

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Re: Purpose of the GTC Hyperion class?
Based on what we've seen in Blue Planet so far, I'd say we have a pretty good idea what exactly the Hyperion is and why exactly it is useful.

The Hyperion isn't meant to be a hard target assault platform, unlike the Chimera, Bellerophon, and Titan warships with their devastating forward firepower, despite their frontal cannon configuration. During the forced entry of the unknown Knossos portal in N362, the Hyperions were used to spearhead the assault - destroying the formidable, and similarly equipped and sized Rakshasa class combatants and waves of fighters, before more valuable and more in demand assets ran the gauntlet. In this sense we see Hyperion combatants used similarly to the Aeolus - as anti-fighter gunboats, only with the added advantage of being effective against similarly scaled opponents.  During the destruction of the Sathanas class warship by elements of the 14th battlegroup ("A Time For Heroes"), not the Bretonia, Duke, nor Persephone participated in the direct assault. It can be safely presumed they which they were escorting the logistics ships Solace and Fortune - they would have been, in fact, the only vessels escorting the fragile logistics ships.

 We have seen them used successfully supplementing the firepower and area defense of large fleet maneuvers - the Elissa and Utica both participated in the attack on Artemis station, and the captain of the Nelson even ordered his fighter charges to ". . .spearhead our assault against the Tev cruisers. Punch a hole for us to the Atreus." - the cruisers were suggested to pose a serious threat to a Karuna class battle frigate- a vessel that must surely be the mass of four Hyperions.

We have also seen the Hyperions class Courage and Novikov destroy the Bandersnatch, a soft target. They completed their mission without escort, using only energy based weapons in an environment where nearly all deploy-able assets were deployed - in short, doing the job of several wings of bombers, under the cover of a significant and effective anti-fighter screen. There is an excellent chance that they even completed their mission at much less expense than an equivalent force of bombers would have. Hyperions, in other words, can perform the task of assaulting soft targets - be they space stations, freighters, or gas miners, more than adequately, while sill leaving the big guns of larger assets free to destroy imminent and hard armored dangers. We have seen the Hyperion combatant fall short once, during the defense of the GTL Agincourt, when it was confronted with two full squadrons of Federal fighters and two Karuna frigates - during the fighting a Chimera corvette, a combatant who's utility has almost never come under question, also fell to overwhelming force.

In contrast we have seen Aeolus' in only one role in the Blue Planet saga, that is the role of anti-fighter gunboat. The Cho, during the assault on the Akula and Ranvir, offered little or no anti-capital firepower and failed to intercept three Uhlan fighters that made entry only a hundred meters from the vessel, a failure by most standards. The Essex and Ajax also fell easy victim to Federal fighter squadrons - during their escort of the destroyer Meridian. The jump-five assigned Norfolk definitely demonstrates that a fully prepared Aeolus combatant is easy prey to the federations Uriel squadrons. The Aeolus is not only a one trick pony, it is a one trick pony that is less than half as successful at its intended role as the Hyperion is at its own (larger) role.
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Re: Purpose of the GTC Hyperion class?
I though the Duke managed to do all those extra jumps because the Vishnans were keeping the ship from asploding?
As far as I understand it, the Vishnans could only controll the crew's minds, not the machines, thus no matter how advanced the Vishnans are, they can't run Terran hardware beyond their capability.
Imagine it like overclocking a processor. With expert knowledge you can go to the very limit of what the chip can take, but no matter how much you know, there will be a point where it just get's too hot without physical changes (like a stronger fan or liquid cooling, ect.).

So even with the Vishnans being responsible for the crew running the engines so hard they eventually burned out, they only did so after more jumps than are usually necessary to get in and even out of the battlezone. Now if you factor in something like 10% more time between jumps for cooling down the drives, you still end up with very fast jumps, most likely beyond anything the Aeolus can dream of.

 

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Re: Purpose of the GTC Hyperion class?
In contrast we have seen Aeolus' in only one role in the Blue Planet saga, that is the role of anti-fighter gunboat. The Cho, during the assault on the Akula and Ranvir, offered little or no anti-capital firepower and failed to intercept three Uhlan fighters that made entry only a hundred meters from the vessel, a failure by most standards. The Essex and Ajax also fell easy victim to Federal fighter squadrons - during their escort of the destroyer Meridian. The jump-five assigned Norfolk definitely demonstrates that a fully prepared Aeolus combatant is easy prey to the federations Uriel squadrons. The Aeolus is not only a one trick pony, it is a one trick pony that is less than half as successful at its intended role as the Hyperion is at its own (larger) role.
I concur with your assessment of the Hyperion, but this is just wrong.  The Diomedes fails in 100% of the occasions we see it in the campaign, but I don't think anyone here would call it an ineffective warship, and they would be very, very wrong if they did.  There are very few occasions where the Nyx actually accomplishes anything.  Deimos next to none.

Every Aeolus we see in the campaign needs to be approached carefully.  Or not at all, in the Cho's case.  That one will kill you in no time at all if you don't get away from it at mission start (Standard Flak is horribly effective).

 

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Re: Purpose of the GTC Hyperion class?
well, technically the Medea (iirc) doesn't fail in Artemis Station...  :nervous: [/nitpick]
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Offline Apollo

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Re: Purpose of the GTC Hyperion class?
In contrast we have seen Aeolus' in only one role in the Blue Planet saga, that is the role of anti-fighter gunboat. The Cho, during the assault on the Akula and Ranvir, offered little or no anti-capital firepower and failed to intercept three Uhlan fighters that made entry only a hundred meters from the vessel, a failure by most standards. The Essex and Ajax also fell easy victim to Federal fighter squadrons - during their escort of the destroyer Meridian. The jump-five assigned Norfolk definitely demonstrates that a fully prepared Aeolus combatant is easy prey to the federations Uriel squadrons. The Aeolus is not only a one trick pony, it is a one trick pony that is less than half as successful at its intended role as the Hyperion is at its own (larger) role.

If we're going by specific instances, BP canon states that the Aeolus has had a fairly low casualty rate. What we see in R1 is simply a small part of a much longer and larger war.

The Aeolus has more (6) flak guns than the Hyperion has pulse cannons (5), that IIRC each deal more sustained damage (200) and have a wider field of fire. Also, flak is more accurate because of the area effect of its explosion and its higher ROF. Now, the Aeolus does have much worse blob turrets, but it's still not "less than half as successful" in an anti-fighter role.

That said, the Hyperion is better overall.
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Re: Purpose of the GTC Hyperion class?
Sorry for double posting, but I'm using my friend's computer that won't let me edit posts.

That Aeolus couldn't stop Laporte and her wingmen because the narrative required them to survive. That doesn't actually detract from the Aeolus's effectiveness.
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Re: Purpose of the GTC Hyperion class?
Sorry for double posting, but I'm using my friend's computer that won't let me edit posts.

That Aeolus couldn't stop Laporte and her wingmen because the narrative required them to survive. That doesn't actually detract from the Aeolus's effectiveness.

That's a fairly artificial distinction.

 

Offline Apollo

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Re: Purpose of the GTC Hyperion class?
I think it's still relevant, though. After all, the Imperieuse's forward cannons were guardianed in Delenda Est. That doesn't mean that invulnerable forward cannons are part of the Titan's standard capabilities.
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Offline Apollo

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Re: Purpose of the GTC Hyperion class?
I guess what I mean is, Kassim and Brie were plot-guardianed (again, special circumstance), and Laporte survives only because she immediately runs away (and even then, getting killed is pretty easy). Since dying will cause you to fail the mission, survival is the only possible outcome in the narrative.
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Re: Purpose of the GTC Hyperion class?
Since you wont drop it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6qR22XCKFEE#t=42s
Aeolus are food (This is on insane), so much for 'approach carefully'! :P
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Re: Purpose of the GTC Hyperion class?
And you couldn't do this to a Hyperion?  Or any other capital ship?

 
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And you couldn't do this to a Hyperion?  Or any other capital ship?
11:25  @QuantumDelta    • Almost all of the big ships have blind spots and approach paths that aren't suicide
 11:26  @QuantumDelta    • (The Aeolus is actually from behind but that missions start point is advanced enough to let you charge in)
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