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Offline The E

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Re: A Message to Women From a Man: You Are Not "Crazy"
Please tell me that you are aware that the british english slangword for cigarette can also be used as a slur for homosexual men.....
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Re: A Message to Women From a Man: You Are Not "Crazy"
i like to think i treat women fairly. i mean i always pay them after sex.

You are so sensitive Nuke :)

 

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Re: A Message to Women From a Man: You Are Not "Crazy"
Please tell me that you are aware that the british english slangword for cigarette can also be used as a slur for homosexual men.....

No, he means it's not a slang for an unsightly woman.
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Re: A Message to Women From a Man: You Are Not "Crazy"
Please tell me that you are aware that the british english slangword for cigarette can also be used as a slur for homosexual men.....

Well yeah. Again, it was also used to describe an unpleasant old woman. Then people used it as a slur for homosexual men.

 

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Re: A Message to Women From a Man: You Are Not "Crazy"
Please tell me that you are aware that the british english slangword for cigarette can also be used as a slur for homosexual men.....

Well yeah. Again, it was also used to describe an unpleasant old woman. Then people used it as a slur for homosexual men.

No, what you are describing is a HAG not a Eff-Ayy-Gee!  :p

And yes you can also use this word to describe a cigarette, the slur for homosexual men actually came from the word Faggot, which is also a word that has many meanings!

Fag can also be a term used in UK public schools for a younger student acting as a servant for senior students
« Last Edit: December 14, 2012, 09:33:34 am by Wobble73 »
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Re: A Message to Women From a Man: You Are Not "Crazy"
Jeez. I'm not saying that they used the word hag, they used eff-ayy-gee-gee-oh-tee to describe a unpleasant, ugly old woman! Good god man, let's just get off this. Otherwise this will just spiral into a argument about who is saying what and that would be boring. And horrible.

 

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Re: A Message to Women From a Man: You Are Not "Crazy"
We tell woman they are oversensitive... yeah society forces us to think like that, sure. And then we get responses equally offensive, like men being pigs or something like that, I'll repeat one of the common replays from there. Get over it, you are overreacting.

If this guy wants a real solution to the "problem", then I would suggest first to avoid taking sides when publishing something, neutrality might be the best starting point.
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Jeez. I'm not saying that they used the word hag, they used eff-ayy-gee-gee-oh-tee to describe a unpleasant, ugly old woman! Good god man, let's just get off this. Otherwise this will just spiral into a argument about who is saying what and that would be boring. And horrible.

Come on aren't you overreacting? Calm down. Relax. Stop freaking out!

 

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Re: A Message to Women From a Man: You Are Not "Crazy"
Jeez. I'm not saying that they used the word hag, they used eff-ayy-gee-gee-oh-tee to describe a unpleasant, ugly old woman! Good god man, let's just get off this. Otherwise this will just spiral into a argument about who is saying what and that would be boring. And horrible.

And I'm saying they didn't, they used the word Hag to describe an unpleasant ugly woman. Never in my life I have I heard anyone use the term faggot to describe a woman!

I don't really want to argue, I just want to point out the incorrectness of your statement!

Fag

Faggot

Hag
« Last Edit: December 14, 2012, 10:50:45 am by Wobble73 »
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Re: A Message to Women From a Man: You Are Not "Crazy"
Women really are crazy sometimes, especially when it comes to dating.

 

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Re: A Message to Women From a Man: You Are Not "Crazy"
What a terrible thread in response to such a great article.

I'd say the crux of the matter is summed up nicely at the end though,

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But isn't the issue of gaslighting ultimately about whether we are conditioned to believe that women's opinions don't hold as much weight as ours? That what women have to say, what they feel, isn't quite as legitimate?

And the reaction here generally seems to be that of people terrified of losing their superiority and having to deal with a level playing field.
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You folks know where I stand on this position (it's with redsniper)

 

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Hmm, I think my comment came out wrong.

I'm aware that dismissing someone would be a terrible thing to do, and am not talking about this as being a jerk in a relationship. Just the women I know, who date and stuff, get really emotional about that stuff to the point where I find it difficult to relate.

You may say that's sexist or gaslighting, but for me to say otherwise would mean that I would have to go against my actual experience.
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Re: A Message to Women From a Man: You Are Not "Crazy"
You know what? **** this guy. If I'm in a situation where a woman is acting crazy, overreacting, or being nutso-emotional, I'm going to tell her (with obvious consideration given to the specifics of the situation at the time). But you know what? I'm going to do the exact same thing if a bloke starts acting that way, except I'd probably come down harder on the guy because, again, with due consideration for the specific details of the situation, there's a fair chance he probably just needs to harden the **** up (and yeah, that's a double standard - I don't care).

Nobody, male or female, lives in a bubble. Your actions and interactions affect the people around you, and we have an elaborate code of behaviour that regulates these interactions. If you step outside of it, by acting crazy, then you need to be told so, otherwise that's tacit acceptance of behaviour that in many cases falls outside the bounds of what's acceptable, and that applies equally to men and women.

Now, if you had quoted the whole article, you would have noticed that he author describes some specific situations where the bloke in question is being a dick, and the women in question should do something about it. But I am not going to censor my interactions with fifty percent of the world's population because some wanker thinks they're too emotionally and intellectually weak to look after themselves.
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I think a lot of people are missing the point here. First read the whole thing. The exerpt on it's own looks like bad writing.

I understand perfectly what he's trying to say, I've seen it played out loads of times and didn't need this article to understand it, and like some have said, it's not just a man on woman thing, it can be man on man, woman on woman and yes even woman on man. We are talking simply about some jerk on a power trip who is intentionally doing wrong and when they get called out on it they try to deflect it back on the victim, especially in a public setting, to make the victim feel they're being overemotional/oversensitive and to make the surrounding people think the same or at least think the victim is okay with it and that they're not even a victim.

As for the victim, they probably just want to get on with what they're doing and be left in peace so they don't have the energy to force the issue, or they might even buy into the jerk's bull**** which is even worse, because that way, the jerk can pick back up where they left off five minutes later and the cycle repeats over and over again.

It will simply naturally happen man on woman the most, because women are physically weaker than men, and a jerk isn't going to pick on someone who will just turn round and knock out some of their teeth. And also it can have sexual undertones as well. A rapist doesn't rape people because they're sex starved and can't control their urges, it's about power and control, and that's what this is all about. It's a power trip, plain and simple.

 

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Re: A Message to Women From a Man: You Are Not "Crazy"
The article isn't saying we should coddle women and give legitimately unacceptable behavior a pass, it's just saying to give a man's word and a woman's word the same validity. We don't have to flip roles here and make men suffer under the matriarchy or something. We could just, you know, treat each other fairly. You shouldn't dismiss something from a woman (or foreigner, or racial minority, or homosexual, etc.) that you would have otherwise taken seriously from a man.
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Re: A Message to Women From a Man: You Are Not "Crazy"
But if I have to listen to and seriously consider input from the other half of the population, that's like...50% more work! I dunno about you guys, but I've already dedicated that time to mansplaining stuff to people on the internet.

 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLrpBLDWyCI

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLrpBLDWyCI

Patience is virtue, you should ponder all equally as you make a decision. Teach others to be knowledgeable. Then you shall have all voices heard in equal beauty like a perfectly synchronized chorus.

I've seen that before :)