[Lorric]

an environment where rationality is king.

Hail to the King!

 

[NGTM-1R]

So the genius head of the NRA who blamed "violent video games" for what happened in Connecticut is a liberal?  Who knew!

He could only name Mortal Kombat.

...we're on, what, 12 of that series? I honestly have no idea. He's standing there blowing on a dogwhistle from two decades ago. Even the people who could hear it are gone now.

[Luis Dias]

Aheeem.

[deathfun]

Aheeem.

I see no uncertainty range in this graph, therefore it is invalid and you are invalid

I also don't see Unreal Tournament or Quake

[karajorma]

Codswallop. I'm going to use that

It's a great word which sadly isn't used anywhere near as much a it deserves.

[headdie]

Codswallop. I'm going to use that

It's a great word which sadly isn't used anywhere near as much a it deserves.

well this thread has descended into the realms of Codswallop so I commend thee for pointing that out

[deathfun]

Codswallop. I'm going to use that

It's a great word which sadly isn't used anywhere near as much a it deserves.

well this thread has descended into the realms of Codswallop so I commend thee for pointing that out

Codswallop! This thread is nowhere near the realms of the aforementioned!
That would mean it still has some tangible significance!

[newman]

Codswallop! This thread is nowhere near the realms of the aforementioned!
That would mean it still has some tangible significance!

..or you just really, really wanted to use that word again. Or in other words, codswallop!

[Flipside]

What's all this gobbledegook about the UK Gun Laws?

Seriously though, this reminds me of when the NHS was used as a scapegoat for attacking Universal healthcare in the US and a whole load of misconceptions were given, like 'Stephen Hawking would have died under the NHS', forcing him to personally point out he was British, was born in Cambridge and the NHS saved his life.

There are reasons for and against Gun laws from the US perspective, and trying to drag other countries into the mix seems, to me, to be missing the entire point.

Once again, care has to be taken not to confuse an Amendment with a Commandment, the 2nd Amendment was written when 'Arms' were anything from Pikemen to single-shot musketmen, the whole point of the Constitution being a 'living breathing document' was meant to prevent America from being boxed into a corner like this.

The treatment of the 2nd Amendment, that it is practically a Sin to even think about the wording and meanings behind it is a dangerous trend, it puts the Founding Fathers on a similar level to those who wrote the Bible, and whether restrictions, or stronger licensing laws or more thorough psychological evaluations are going to help or not, those questions have to be asked in a non-accusatory atmosphere, not 'You questioned the Second Amendment!!! How Dare You!!!'

[MP-Ryan]

Oh, I'll go one further - Swazi Spring, my previous posts in this thread have actually addressed the majority of the bull**** you've just posted, and the bull**** they do not address is so ludicrous that it doesn't actually need correction.  Go read the thread and educate yourself.  I don't respond to conspiracy-BS wall-o-texts line-by-line, particularly when I've already refuted most of it.

The United States, with the laxest gun laws in the democratic world, also has the highest violent crime rate, the highest homicide rate, the highest accidental death-by-firearm rate (particularly among children), and sports the highest risk of dying by a gun.  Here's a peer-reviewed study on the subject.  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20571454

Abstract
BACKGROUND:

Violent death is a major public health problem in the United States and throughout the world.
METHODS:

A cross-sectional analysis of the World Health Organization Mortality Database analyzes homicides and suicides (both disaggregated as firearm related and non-firearm related) and unintentional and undetermined firearm deaths from 23 populous high-income Organization for Economic Co-Operation and Development countries that provided data to the World Health Organization for 2003.
RESULTS:

The US homicide rates were 6.9 times higher than rates in the other high-income countries, driven by firearm homicide rates that were 19.5 times higher. For 15-year olds to 24-year olds, firearm homicide rates in the United States were 42.7 times higher than in the other countries. For US males, firearm homicide rates were 22.0 times higher, and for US females, firearm homicide rates were 11.4 times higher. The US firearm suicide rates were 5.8 times higher than in the other countries, though overall suicide rates were 30% lower. The US unintentional firearm deaths were 5.2 times higher than in the other countries. Among these 23 countries, 80% of all firearm deaths occurred in the United States, 86% of women killed by firearms were US women, and 87% of all children aged 0 to 14 killed by firearms were US children.
CONCLUSIONS:

The United States has far higher rates of firearm deaths-firearm homicides, firearm suicides, and unintentional firearm deaths compared with other high-income countries. The US overall suicide rate is not out of line with these countries, but the United States is an outlier in terms of our overall homicide rate.

Here's some more fun statistics:  http://www.med.umich.edu/yourchild/topics/guns.htm

    According to the CDC, the rate of firearm deaths among children under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined. American children are 16 times more likely to be murdered with a gun, 11 times more likely to commit suicide with a gun, and nine times more likely to die in a firearm accident than children in these other countries

    In addition to firearm deaths, we need to look at how many children and young people are hurt by guns. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reports that in 1997, 2,514 children aged 0-14 were non-fatally injured by guns. In the same year, 30,225 young people aged 15-24 sustained nonfatal firearm injuries. These statistics include suicide attempts and both intentional and accidental shootings

    When researchers studied the 30,000 accidental gun deaths of Americans of all ages that occurred between 1979-1997, they found that preschoolers aged 0-4 were 17 times more likely to die from a gun accident in the 4 states with the most guns versus the 4 states with the least guns. Likewise, school kids aged 5-14 were over 13 times more at risk of accidental firearm death in the states with high gun ownership rates.

Oh yeah - Canada, Sweden, Norway, Switzerland, Finland, and Germany all have high rates of gun ownership, and are included in those studies.  None of them, despite having their own gun cultures, have anywhere near the crime problems associated with firearms that the United States has.  Canada shares a border and significant portions of its culture with the US, yet has nowhere near the crime problems in general.  So, thanks for coming out, but as everyone else has said, your post amounts to a heaping pile of bull**** with chicken **** sprinkles on top.

[The E]

The thing is, Swazi Springtime for Hitler posted that rant not just "on another forum", but basically all the forums. Seriously, copy a portion of that thing and feed it into google, dozens upon dozens of links will greet you.

Somehow, I get the impression that it's just Serdar Argic all over again.

[jg18]

If it's a spambot, it's one capable not only of replying to others but also of expressing preferences in music, books, and TV shows.

It's probably just someone (or someones) with an axe to grind and a lot of free time.

[Aardwolf]

Oh, like judgefloro?

[jg18]

Yeah, but less entertaining/amicable.

The reason he's coming back here is because, for some reason, HLP has decided to find him funny, and thus he hasn't been banned.

He replies to any questions put to him, he sticks to only one topic at a time and most importantly of all, he's unfailingly polite.


Model Forum Member.

[deathfun]

Swazi Spring, my previous posts in this thread have actually addressed the majority of the codswallop you've just posted, and the bunkum they do not address is so ludicrous that it doesn't actually need correction.

Fixed that for you

The thing is, Swazi Springtime for Hitler posted that rant not just "on another forum", but basically all the forums. Seriously, copy a portion of that thing and feed it into google, dozens upon dozens of links will greet you.

Somehow, I get the impression that it's just Serdar Argic all over again.

Well then. Most peculiar

EDIT: **** yeah I will Lorric!

[Lorric]

Hey deathfun, you might want to add "Balderdash" to your little list of words

[karajorma]

I was honestly saving that one for if he posted again.

[Lorric]

I was honestly saving that one for if he posted again.

He he. Hi Karajorma. I must say, since I exited the thread, that you've been doing a better job than I ever could representing Great Britain in this debate. So I support and praise you. Keep up the good work!   

[Dilmah G]

Jesus ****ing Christ, that pile of absolute rubbish made me vomit a little. It always give me a bit of a buzz to see stupidity/Fox News rhetoric smacked down on HLP. 

[Lorric]

**** yeah I will Lorric!

Hey deathfun... poppycock would look good in that list