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Offline Shade

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Re: Hacked files discussion - split from Feature wishlist
That is one possible cause of it. But as I've explained in an earlier post, it won't actually work, due to the safeguards already in place.

There can be many other, and often innocent, cause of that problem though. Not applying the patch to retail FreeSpace 2, for example. Or forgetting to turn off a mod before playing multi.
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Re: Hacked files discussion - split from Feature wishlist
Ok, that makes more sense now, thanks.

Anyways, we could always help people solve any problems they may be having such as having hacked tables, but in the overall stance of preventing it from changing the experience of any other players in any way, I still think that the best options are to either prevent them from joining, or download backup copies from the servers everytime they play Multi. That second option of course requires the servers to be storing and transferring a lot more data, a lot more often, and as a "Free" game this is not optimal.

 
Re: Hacked files discussion - split from Feature wishlist
Please play multi first.
Then you can have opinions :<
Although I do wish the hacked tables error reporting was a little more robust, there's no need for any of what you're suggesting, in fact, most of it is counter productive.
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Re: Hacked files discussion - split from Feature wishlist
There is no way to distinguish between someone altering tbl files for getting an advantage, and someone who hasn't, for example, have the 1.2 root vp. Both will result in a "Hacked tables" warning.

Also, we really, really do not have so many players for cheating to be a problem. Really.
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Okeedokey.

 

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If FS2NetD can't validate FSPort, BP or WoD files... then why not just add these sets to FS2NetD?

 

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Re: Hacked files discussion - split from Feature wishlist
Don't know about the port, but I think both the WoD and the BP multi packs are still under construction. They're definitely not ready to be validated yet.
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Yep, for something to be validated it needs to be balanced, stable, and above all, static. No point validating something that changes every few days, since any change will break validation. So, as they're still in development, the BP and WoD multi packs just don't qualify yet.

The Port might, I suppose. I guess the main reason it isn't validated is that the team behind it hasn't decided it should be - Never forget that it's up to the mod teams themselves (or some officially-sanctioned volunteer, like bigchunk for the BP multi project) to get the ball rolling on something like this. Of course, there'd need to be a fair amount of testing to make sure it's warning-free and stable in multi, but that should certainly be doable should the Port team want to do it.
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Re: Hacked files discussion - split from Feature wishlist
It should also be noted that they'd probably have to conform to around FS2s points or medal structure in regards to both difficulty and reward..
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Re: Hacked files discussion - split from Feature wishlist
A way to validate mods has not been implemented yet.  FSPort is a mod not a TC so at this point it can't be validated.  It would either require a separate daemon on FS2netD and config files added to the port to use it or network and validation code changes. 
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Re: Hacked files discussion - split from Feature wishlist
I guess that makes a good addition to the feature request list, then.
Having Mods separated for validation would be better, imo than having them all in one place... or could they co-exist in the same space without too many issues?
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Re: Hacked files discussion - split from Feature wishlist
I know this is a really old thread... but anyway I just wanted to say that at one point in time I really hoped fsport would be validated so that I can relive the good old days of FS1. But considering that the active playing population is so minimal (even compared to diablo 2) and that it will still be using FS2's medal and advancement system, perhaps there's not much point in having it.

  
Re: Hacked files discussion - split from Feature wishlist
It might happen eventually (read; no plans for it to be done), but really they'd probably have to see an uptake in multi for the FSO guys to see it as worth the time.
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