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Offline SypheDMar

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'Star Trek vs BSG' or 'A fan has too much time on his hands'
23 minute space battle. Enjoy (and in HLP tradition, criticize)!

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HXz2oOlN0A

 

Offline An4ximandros

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Re: 'Star Trek vs BSG' or 'A fan has too much time on his hands'
 Low quality shaders;
  Crysis W. music;
   Low quality SFX;
    Cheap smoke fx;
     Star Trek wins because **** it why not.

 4/10, Would not watch again.

They get B+ for effort though.

 

Offline Luis Dias

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Re: 'Star Trek vs BSG' or 'A fan has too much time on his hands'
I much rather preferred the original version of the Star Wreck battle scene, although yeah it was B5 but still.

 

Offline deathfun

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Re: 'Star Trek vs BSG' or 'A fan has too much time on his hands'
Firing of the Vipers is inaccurate to canon. Raiders are closer to truth
Either way, I preferred the 2004 battles in regards to BSG. They should've gone that route
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Re: 'Star Trek vs BSG' or 'A fan has too much time on his hands'
Buncha Debbie-downers in here...

Sure some it's low quality compared to the quality of effects we are used to seeing with AAA games and Hollywood movies. But, this is impressive work for an individual or even a small team. The sheer amount of effort this required is mind-boggling. It's twenty minutes of choreographed animation and most of it doesn't completely suck. All of it was likely rendered, post-processed, rendered, cut and rendered again. Sure some of it's B-grade TV effects... and the camera work really bothers me... but it's watchable. Truly impressive.
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Re: 'Star Trek vs BSG' or 'A fan has too much time on his hands'
the visuals are pretty good, but the sound effects (lasers) are distractingly bad.  i think the drunken camera is kinda interesting, but could be toned down a tad.
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Re: 'Star Trek vs BSG' or 'A fan has too much time on his hands'
the visuals are pretty good, but the sound effects (lasers) are distractingly bad.  i think the drunken camera is kinda interesting, but could be toned down a tad.

The lasers sounds are actually pretty close to how they sounded in the 1978 show
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Re: 'Star Trek vs BSG' or 'A fan has too much time on his hands'
the visuals are pretty good, but the sound effects (lasers) are distractingly bad.  i think the drunken camera is kinda interesting, but could be toned down a tad.

The lasers sounds are actually pretty close to how they sounded in the 1978 show

They're closer to Freelancer, seeing as how that's where they were taken from.

 

Offline Klaustrophobia

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regardless of their source, i still think they sound awful. 
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Re: 'Star Trek vs BSG' or 'A fan has too much time on his hands'
Was kinda the point I was trying to make, FL had awful sound effects.

 

Offline deathfun

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Re: 'Star Trek vs BSG' or 'A fan has too much time on his hands'
the visuals are pretty good, but the sound effects (lasers) are distractingly bad.  i think the drunken camera is kinda interesting, but could be toned down a tad.

The lasers sounds are actually pretty close to how they sounded in the 1978 show

They're closer to Freelancer, seeing as how that's where they were taken from.

That I was unaware of
As for them still sounding awful, they're true to the show so I can't fault them for having done that. Bad or not, this is based on it, so I expect them to stay true to it

That being said, only the Raiders had the right sound effects. Vipers, the Battlestar, and the Basestar had all the wrong laser sounds
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Offline esarai

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Re: 'Star Trek vs BSG' or 'A fan has too much time on his hands'
While technically impressive, cinematography is dramatically wanting.  I think the person who made this got lost in the concept of making a spectacle, tried to turn it up to 11 and ended up with a 3.  If they were paying attention to canon, this battle would not have lasted this long.  Instead, the animator got inured with showing ships firing their beams over and over and over, which is not needed.  Also the ST vessels make unnecessary and nonsensical maneuvers, adding even more to the pervasive sense of showing off rather than telling a story.  And I'm not a fan of how they crossed the 2004 BSG exodus fleet with the 1980's Galactica.
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Offline The E

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Re: 'Star Trek vs BSG' or 'A fan has too much time on his hands'
Yeah, the cinematography is just bad. Don't get me wrong, there are a few cool shots here and there, but the creators' desire to make every shot unique and dynamic just doesn't work in a piece this long. It is using the camera language of nuBSG without understanding the reasoning or intention behind that language.

And yeah, seeing all those ships fire their guns in ways that are completely nonsensical or even prohibited by canon (The pulse phasers on Defiant-class ships cannot fire off-bore, neither can the guns on Vipers) is just jarring.

Definitely marks for effort though. There is quite a bit of skill here, what is lacking is direction and restraint.
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Offline esarai

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Re: 'Star Trek vs BSG' or 'A fan has too much time on his hands'
I thought the off-axis fire from the Vipers and Raiders was more a side effect of the animator not understanding the concept of conservation of momentum. 
<Nuclear>   truth: the good samaritan actually checked for proof of citizenship and health insurance
<Axem>   did anyone catch jesus' birth certificate?
<Nuclear>   and jesus didnt actually give the 5000 their fish...he gave it to the romans and let it trickle down
<Axem>and he was totally pro tax breaks
<Axem>he threw out all those tax collectors at the temple
<Nuclear>   he drove a V8 camel too
<Nuclear>   with a sword rack for his fully-automatic daggers

Esarai: hey gaiz, what's a good improvised, final attack for a ship fighting to buy others time to escape to use?
RangerKarl|AtWork: stick your penis in the warp core
DarthGeek: no don't do that
amki: don't EVER do that

 

Offline Buckshee Rounds

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Re: 'Star Trek vs BSG' or 'A fan has too much time on his hands'
I thought the off-axis fire from the Vipers and Raiders was more a side effect of the animator not understanding the concept of conservation of momentum. 

At least the ships move in a relatively believable way, I remember how much I cringed when Peggy and Galactica both had their ramming scenes in the series: that many million tons of metal should not move that fast.

 
Re: 'Star Trek vs BSG' or 'A fan has too much time on his hands'
Bro do you even newtonian mechanics
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Offline Buckshee Rounds

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Re: 'Star Trek vs BSG' or 'A fan has too much time on his hands'
'Believable' not realistic, I'm saying that at least the big ships don't accelerate like F1 cars (except for the ST ships equipped with 'inertial dampening' and other techno-poo).

 

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Re: 'Star Trek vs BSG' or 'A fan has too much time on his hands'
1. Curvy Cylon lasers?
2. Weird glowy texturing on the cross-sectioned Galactica debris
3. Ent-D fires first??
3. Mermaid ST ship??? (USS Magellan?)
4. Defiant vectored pulse phasers????
5. Shield-less Cylon basestar withstanding so much firepower?????
6. Phasers continually firing for that long??????
7. "THANKS FOR WATHING"???????

On the flipside, definitely A for effort. I wasn't bothered at all by the camera angles and paths... they were all fairly smooth and fluid. The battles were definitely far too long - heck, the Borg cube went down faster than that - but the choreography was good.
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Offline deathfun

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Re: 'Star Trek vs BSG' or 'A fan has too much time on his hands'
'Believable' not realistic, I'm saying that at least the big ships don't accelerate like F1 cars (except for the ST ships equipped with 'inertial dampening' and other techno-poo).

Obligatory question demanding the specs and blueprints that you have which determine just how fast they are supposed to accelerate in reality as opposed to the show
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Offline Klaustrophobia

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Re: 'Star Trek vs BSG' or 'A fan has too much time on his hands'
am i the only one thinking of this as an animation and not supposed to be canonical simulation in the slightest?
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