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Offline An4ximandros

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Re: Star Trek Into Darkness [SPOILERS}
 They realized that Trek ships move at the speed of plot, so they maxed out the convenient speed drives. :P

 

Offline Axem

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And despite having speeds that can get from Kronos to Earth in under a minute, there always seems to be a startling lack of non-Enterprise ships at any given point. :p

 

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Warp speeds work much more like hyperspace, here...
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Re: Star Trek Into Darkness [SPOILERS}
They always worked like hyperspace; Trek has never been consistent with its hand waving.
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Offline General Battuta

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This was a decent movie that really squandered two excellent antagonists.

 

Offline NGTM-1R

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This was a decent movie that really squandered two excellent antagonists.

Alex Cross squandered an antagonist.

This movie simply could have used them better.
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Finally got to see it at IMAX with my friends, enjoyed it a lot. 

"Then the holy 1701 touched the old gods of The Mountain and they were smote."

That's going to be an awesome ****ing religion.

Though I do hope the next installment pits the Enterprise against something that doesn't totally outclass her, the latest two outings she's gotten her ass handed to her.
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It's not a Star Trek movie if they don't trash the Enterprise...
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I can't wait until the Nibirians finally develop warp capability, the Federation is all "'sup?" and their immediate response is '...you mother f**kers.'
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Though I do hope the next installment pits the Enterprise against something that doesn't totally outclass her, the latest two outings she's gotten her ass handed to her.

I think the only series to give the ship a proper chance to stretch its legs was DS9, where the Defiant got a few "I was made to kill BORG, resistance only makes me harder *pewpewpew*" moments.
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I dunno, she's already pretty homely compared to the TMP 1701, it would be nice if they'd at least let her give as good as she gets next time.  It so bad my girlfriend actually made the observation, between being giddy about how much she liked the film, that this Enterprise gets busted up all the time.
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Offline Luis Dias

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You wanna stick with Montalban, Javier Bardem!

Because that guy ain't caucasian and successful. /S

Really, this whole shebang about Khan being whitewashed is the most irritating, obnoxious hollywood ****fest that has crossed my eyes for the past month.

That's mostly because the *only* redeeming quality of ST:ID *IS* Cumberbatch.

But not all - really, the "whitewashing" discussion ought to be interesting, yet it is not. The true fact is that this ain't your granddaddy's Star Trek. Roddenberry's Star Trek was always about crossing really outlandish boundaries of social norms. A Black Woman as the fourth-in-command inside the Federation flagship! A Russian helm! An alien second in command! Next, a bald guy in command (and French!) because "no one in the 24th century will give a damn if you are bald or not"! A frakkin android as a commander inside your own flagship! A Woman as captain!

You would think that coming into the 21st century, new "frontiers" could be crossed? No. J.J. doesn't give a **** about social revolutions and a vision for the future. He wants an adventchur in spaace with lazors and "punch-its" and warpships and Xplosions and ****.

Or I am being too grumpy. He *did* place two hot furries having sex with Kirk after all. Real social revolution right there.

That's the real victim here. Without this soul, Star Trek ain't anymore itself, people feel it and then say stupid things like "Ahh, yeah Cumberbatch was badly cast COZ HE'S WHITE". Really. Is that the problem here? Because I can write a wall of text comparing this ****fest of a movie with the original one to which this tries to pay homage to. I'll spare you the wall, just bear with me for a paragraph or two.

The original movie had multiple layers of thematics that were pervasive in the entire movie that danced between each other, collated several different scales of problems and made sense of them all together, tying themselves amazingly well at the end. Spock gives the book A Tale of two cities as a birthday present to Kirk, a middle-age-crisis man who is unsure what to do with his life, but the words in that book will be the most important lesson. The "sci-fi-problem" in the movie is a weapon that is a creation device. Brilliant connundrum, philosophically fascinating, which at the same time marks the endgame with Khan and the rebirth of Kirk's soul symbolized by the terraforming by the Genesis device. Its destructive power symbolized Khan's dark want of revenge, Moby Dick and so on and so on.

What to make of this new charade of a flick? Is there even anything to read in it other than click-BOOM bazziiiin, ZUT, punch it!,letsgo,WARP, OMGITSKHANwithBASSVOICE!splash,TREASON!Laz0rBEAMrocktRUNRUNRUN Win!! ?

Any motif? Any symbolism at all? Isn't the new not-really-a-sacrifice in the end NOW WITH A TWIST! just tasteless? I mean really, now they are not even allowed to die in present-day films?

I didn't like this one movie. One. Bit. And I couldn't care less about what race is Cumberbatch, FFS.

PS: You know, now that I think of it, it has another redeeming quality: it understands its complete camp-****ty quality and dares to cast Robocop as the main antagonist. I was always waiting for ED-209 to come up and shoot everyone up and turn the movie into something at least true to its material.
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Re: Star Trek Into Darkness [SPOILERS}
wait wait wait, do you actually think ~roddenberry's vision~ was actually worth giving a **** about
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Offline Luis Dias

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No of course not, it's much better to have a rollercoaster hollywood laz0r ****fest of nothingness on screen. At least brains do not run the risk from usage overheating.

 

Offline NGTM-1R

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No of course not, it's much better to have a rollercoaster hollywood laz0r ****fest of nothingness on screen. At least brains do not run the risk from usage overheating.

I direct you to DS9 for Trek without Roddenberry's vision.

More seriously the man was a hack and the only reason NextGen lasted as long as it did was they quietly removed him from any creative control sometime in Season 2.
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Re: Star Trek Into Darkness [SPOILERS}
No of course not, it's much better to have a rollercoaster hollywood laz0r ****fest of nothingness on screen. At least brains do not run the risk from usage overheating.

ahahahaha

roddenberry's vision had **** all to do with intelligent thought and everything to do with loudly validating himself and his ideals by writing a world where they were never seriously challenged
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Offline Luis Dias

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Forget Roddenberry. The man was crazy, but at least he was something. Yeah, I'd prefer a crazy film that bombed to this piece of nothingness, but then again TWOK wasn't Roddenberry's and it was good (I have some complaints about it, but that's another story).

Thing is, this movie never accomplishes anything that it proposes. It begins ideas and then botches them on and on and on, as if it's written as a really bad quality series, nevermind a movie. Subtlety? Ah! Big Bad Man is Mad and has a Big Bad Black Ship With Lots'o Guns and Big Bad Robocop at the helm. The lack of tragic elements in this movie is astonishing, specially considering how much potential it had on them. Not one ideological struggle. Not even caracther build-up: Uhura's anger at Spock is entirely due to miscommunication, Spock was actually even more emotional than she even thought was possible, not less!

My thoughts are really incoherent and I apologize for it. But I honestly feel one could make a thesis on how obscene this movie plays in ideological terms. In a nutshell, drama and tragedy are substituted by adrenaline shots.

PS: REALLY, I do think I'm on to something here. Because it is *not* indifferent that a team that made a killing by doing a series while hiding they had nothing in its core at all then goes to make this thing. It's like professional magicians.

 

Offline General Battuta

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Re: Star Trek Into Darkness [SPOILERS}
Yeah, I kinda feel the same way, though I've had a hard time putting my finger on it. It's like the film constantly sets up potentially smart interesting scenes and then does the dumbest possible things with them.

 

Offline An4ximandros

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Re: Star Trek Into Darkness [SPOILERS}
 I believe this guy really nails the film's problems: http://sfdebris.com/videos/special/intodarkness.asp

 
Re: Star Trek Into Darkness [SPOILERS}
Yeah, I kinda feel the same way, though I've had a hard time putting my finger on it. It's like the film constantly sets up potentially smart interesting scenes and then does the dumbest possible things with them.

Aye, same here. Also what Luis said, most of it.