[TheCelestialOne]

Before we actually go further on this... Have you actually PLAYED the game (FFX)? If you only saw a cut scene on your comp. you are in no position to judge the graphics of FFX.

If you have played FFX... Then just disregard this post.

EDIT : 20 npc's? Thats all? FFX has way more than that on certain places! And they are all interactive...

[Nico]

I guess I should disregard your post
20 is a number I wrote like that, I have no idea how many NPC there can be on a map. ( depends what map anyway ). and all the 180 units in W3 are more interactive than the FFX NPC
Anyway, I was comparing the cutscenes, and don't get me wrong, I love the FF cutscenes, japanese peoples are masters in that stuff, but when I talk about the W3 cutscenes, I just see the evolution from warcraft2 to warcraft3, through diablo1, starcraft , diablo2 and the diablo2 addon. And comparing the W3 and FFX cutscenes is not a mean for me to say: "look, they can do as good, bwarf, easy", I meant it as a compliment for the blizzard artists, coz the squaresoft CGI people are a reference for me.

[Mad Bomber]

Compare it, for instance, with Warcraft 1. Ah, how far they've come.

[TheCelestialOne]

I really don't understand why we are comparing RPG's and strategy games with eachother... they both have their ups and downs (though both these games have little in the way of downs ).

I think you can't say FFX is better (So disregard the post i've said that in ) nor can you say that Warcraft is better. I think its all a matter of taste.

[Dark_4ce]

Yeah. I like both games.

Venom, Yeah, I got me a somewhat small marines army (The Black Templar) and then the ever growing Dark Eldar! They're damn hard to use, but they're fast and furious! They're evil too, so they're of fun to paint. What I'm working on now, after not going forth with my Stormtrooper armour, is that I'm building a table battle recreation. Well, like a model. I basically got the terrain down, with a nice rolling hill, two huge craters, and a ruined base. All I gotta do now is add texture and paint. And ofcourse my guys.

[Nico]

Originally posted by Dark_4ce
they're fast and furious

My brother plays them, yeah, they're fast... to die
They're just no match for my pulse rifles
We have loads of warhammer FB BG elements, but only a few for 40K... gotta do something about this ( "no!!!!!!!!!!" screams my wallet ).

And celestial one: yeah, we agree on this

[Shrike]

Originally posted by Dark_4ce
Venom, Yeah, I got me a somewhat small marines army (The Black Templar) and then the ever growing Dark Eldar! They're damn hard to use, but they're fast and furious! They're evil too, so they're of fun to paint. What I'm working on now, after not going forth with my Stormtrooper armour, is that I'm building a table battle recreation. Well, like a model. I basically got the terrain down, with a nice rolling hill, two huge craters, and a ruined base. All I gotta do now is add texture and paint. And ofcourse my guys.

Ugh, I hate Templars with a passion.  I just can't get the ****ers off once they get my poor Fire Warriors in close combat.

[Ace]

Compare it, for instance, with Warcraft 1. Ah, how far they've come.

IMHO I enjoy WarCraft III because it does return to the roots of WarCraft: Orcs and Humans in many ways.

However I do prefer the much darker, Warhammer type feel of the original over the more cartoony in-game look of WarCraft II, III, and WoW.

It is funny that WarCraft is a more accurate Warhammer PC game then any of the official ones

[Nico]

Originally posted by Shrike
Ugh, I hate Templars with a passion.  I just can't get the ****ers off once they get my poor Fire Warriors in close combat.

fire warriors? I guess you'd have the same pb with gretchins
space marines don't give me too much troubles, I pinpoint them with targeting lasers then my crisis suits teach them how plasma rifles hurts when they hit on 2+

Ace: shadow of the horned rat was perfect. they would have kept the same kind of gameplay for dark omen, with the new UI and realisation, dark omen would have been awesome.

[Shrike]

Originally posted by venom2506
fire warriors? I guess you'd have the same pb with gretchins
space marines don't give me too much troubles, I pinpoint them with targeting lasers then my crisis suits teach them how plasma rifles hurts when they hit on 2+

And how many markerlights do you need to pull this off?  Sure it means your shots are really accurate, but geez, that's 63 points minimum per plasma rifle you bring to the table - or 4 marines.  And crisis suits are by no means invulnerable, taking too many is a good way to get swarmed..... even by marines!

Besides, shooting marines up still doesn't solve the problem of when they get into close combat, which if the other guy has rhinos and gets first turn (which happened to me last game) can happen quite easily, and then...you're screwed.

[Nico]

I have three crisis, each with a plasma rifle and a missile pod. they stay just out of assault range, hidden behind some cover. all my fire warrior shas'ui ( or is it shas'la? oh well ) have a marker ( one per crisis weapon ). Against marines, it's better to have a many smaller squads than a few big, so I can buy my 6 markers. during my turn, movement, the crisis go into firing position, shooting, the firewarriors designate the target, the crisis kills them ( and the plasma rifles with their range have about one more turn to shoot, which gives them one more chance to go through the armor save ). assault pahse, the crisis uses their jetpacks to go back to cover. sure, crisis armors are weak. but they're fast, DAMN fast
if this doesn't work, all my fire warriors jump into the devilfishes and go to the other side of the table, and start again. if I know the guy I play against will have heavy stuff like dreadnaughts or land raiders, well, I buy less stuff for the fire warriors and the crisis, and place a squad of broadsides. the hammerhead with a ion cannon is a superb space marine killer, btw. Always give the hammerhead seeker missiles, they're less expensive. as you'll never use this weapon anyway ( with the upgrade, you can move and shoot with the main weapon, so your opponent needs 6 to hit ), well, it helps you save some points
note: of course these are good only for melees, for scenaries, you need to adapt your army.
Overall, there's a lot of tricks with space marines, of course you won't always win, but for now I have a ratio of about 50/50 against them, which is excellent against those dudes, btw.

How do you play your tau, Shrike? I'm always interested in learning new strategies

[Shrike]

Originally posted by venom2506
How do you play your tau, Shrike? I'm always interested in learning new strategies

So far it's only been against Templars, unfortunately.

But I use a pair of railgun/BC 'Heads, a full selection of Kroot, a couple full squads of FWs, 3 crisis suits, 6 stealths and some drones.  Doesn't work too bad, it's just that Templars are mean in close combat.

1500 points, btw.

[Nico]

kroots, hargh ( I hate them ). Templars aren't too different from my pesky Dark Angels ( grin ), we should share knowledge
How do your stealth suits do? I'm considering adding some to my army too ( we play 1500 battles too, for now ).
I understand you suffer if you don't have at least one devilfish btw, against h2h troops like the templars, they are very handy .
you might consider breaking your firewarriors in 4 squads of 6, for a few reasons: you can cover more areas ( I love those long range rifles ), you won't have 12 firewarriors stupidly stuck if they've been assaulted, and, trust me, you WANT them to die on the first round of h2h ( the return fire on your next turn will make your opponent think twice before engaging his troops right in the middle of your army ). Of course, the drawback is that they'll fall easily under the 50% limit ( but who cares, Tau can still rally hehe ) and, more annoying, that might prevent your troops from capturing objectives ( but with 4 squads, the risk is... calculated ).
The drones, I dunno. I admit they're damn efficient, but the pb is that you never have enough of them . giving two shield drones to your crisis is invaluable btw, it changed my life ( love the look of your opponent when his lascanon and his anti tank missile both hits your crisis unit, are both assigned to the drones, and both drones survive because of the invulnerable save mwahahaha -ok, doesn't work everytime, but often enough so the awful cost of the things is worthy ).
Ok, her... anyway... what about kroots ( I hate them, I think I've said it already? )?

[NeoHunter]

Guys...back to the Warcraft 3 topic please...

[Nico]

why? the topic was going to oblivion anyway.

[Shrike]

My crisis suit team (Shas'o and bodyguard) has a pair of shield drones, and each of the suits have shield generators as well.   It's about the only think that keeps them from getting swiss cheesed by power weapons.

The stealth suits would do better if I wasn't always playing againts marines... the 18 burst cannon shots are fun, but it doesn't actually end up killing many marines.

The Kroot have done fairly well for me, they're much better in HtH than the FWs and are barely half the price, and as such are better blockers.  The Shaper specifically is pretty good in CC, with 4 attacks at S4.  But again, the whole '3+ save' thing gets me all the time, and the general lack of wargear kind of sucks.

[Nico]

Originally posted by Shrike
My crisis suit team (Shas'o and bodyguard) has a pair of shield drones, and each of the suits have shield generators as well.   It's about the only think that keeps them from getting swiss cheesed by power weapons.

The stealth suits would do better if I wasn't always playing againts marines... the 18 burst cannon shots are fun, but it doesn't actually end up killing many marines.

The Kroot have done fairly well for me, they're much better in HtH than the FWs and are barely half the price, and as such are better blockers.  The Shaper specifically is pretty good in CC, with 4 attacks at S4.  But again, the whole '3+ save' thing gets me all the time, and the general lack of wargear kind of sucks.

shield generators? mmh, I prefer to have the link thinguy to have two weapons to fire at the same time. with the jetpack, it shouldn't be that hard to avoid assaults anyway.
the stealth suits should be handy against the dark eldars I suppose ( against templars, they should be great rhino killers ).
The kroot, really, dunno. The few stats advantages they have is completly toned down by their complete lack of save. Even a grot won't have much pb killing kroots if he survives the assault. Their rifles are good, but I prefer to get a devilfish to run away when needed, than canon fodder troops ( the way I play leaves to place for troops planed to be sacrified from the begining ). Calling kroots a h2h unit is a joke.
I dunno what to take between pathfinders and stealth suit, honestly. Pathfinders have all those markers... yummy!
stealth suits are cool, stealth, have jetpacks, burst canons and a 3+ armor save... yummy too! mmh... tough choice. probably the stealths anyway, pulse carabins are pretty useless against SM ( they never fail their pinning test, and the short range is, well, short ), plus they have to cme with a devilfish, which is annoying.
oh well.

[Shrike]

Originally posted by venom2506
shield generators? mmh, I prefer to have the link thinguy to have two weapons to fire at the same time. with the jetpack, it shouldn't be that hard to avoid assaults anyway.
the stealth suits should be handy against the dark eldars I suppose ( against templars, they should be great rhino killers ).
The kroot, really, dunno. The few stats advantages they have is completly toned down by their complete lack of save. Even a grot won't have much pb killing kroots if he survives the assault. Their rifles are good, but I prefer to get a devilfish to run away when needed, than canon fodder troops ( the way I play leaves to place for troops planed to be sacrified from the begining ). Calling kroots a h2h unit is a joke.
I dunno what to take between pathfinders and stealth suit, honestly. Pathfinders have all those markers... yummy!
stealth suits are cool, stealth, have jetpacks, burst canons and a 3+ armor save... yummy too! mmh... tough choice. probably the stealths anyway, pulse carabins are pretty useless against SM ( they never fail their pinning test, and the short range is, well, short ), plus they have to cme with a devilfish, which is annoying.
oh well.

You should play against an agressive player who's trying to get you into HtH.  It's not fun.  And pulse guns aren't all that hot against Rhinos, you can only glance on a 6, which means you need a lot of shots.  Generally I'm busy trying to kill marines with them anyhow.

And I put multitrackers on the suits as well, bodyguards can all get one piece of wargear.

Kroot are a good a HtH unit as Orks, they have comparable stats.  WS4, S4, 2 attacks...

[Nico]

agressive? my dark angel opponent is, but I manage, somehow. The main word is to focus on ONE target at a time. Believe me, even at long range, with 24 pulse rifles, you can get some serious damage. I don't remember, is the rhino front hull 11? Bah, anyway, usually, rhinos won't get through the broadsides. I still have to wait for the upcoming land raider tho...
Orcs have a save, kroots have none, that's my main complain about them ( orcs also reduce saves to 4+ max, which makes them effectyive even against a bloody terminator  ). The pb, with the space marines, is that everything is tough as hell... your only advantage, you have more guns, and better ones.
Anyway, if you opponent can get in h2h in his second turn, there's no secret, you have to get devilfishes.

[NeoHunter]

Originally posted by venom2506
why? the topic was going to oblivion anyway.

I hate it when you're right.