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Re: RELEASE: FreeSpace Open Installer, v2.1.7
That idea makes me hesitate slightly. With all the silliness involving new users who can't/won't ready and don't understand basic computer tasks... should we really add something to the installer that makes it seem like FS requires more money?

Yes, I totally understand we can try to make it clear that it's donate only... not required to play.. whatever. Just after the recent influx of players, I'm not exactly filled with confidence that people are even reading or trying to understand anything in the installer.
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Re: RELEASE: FreeSpace Open Installer, v2.1.7
So we issue a few refunds if anyone complains, that's not impossible.  It's like it's spent as soon as we get it.  I don't think we'll see a huge wave of GOOB STOLE MAH MONIES or something.
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Re: RELEASE: FreeSpace Open Installer, v2.1.7
I think it would be okay if it was included on the final page of the Installer, since that way a first-time user would see that everything had completed successfully without feeling like they need to pay something in order to proceed.

 

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Re: RELEASE: FreeSpace Open Installer, v2.1.7
You guys would not last long at my company thinking that way...
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Re: RELEASE: FreeSpace Open Installer, v2.1.7
Make it link to a thread explaining that's it's only to show appreciation and goes to fund hosting costs. Then they have  to click donate  again if they want.

 

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Re: RELEASE: FreeSpace Open Installer, v2.1.7
You guys are wanting to make it way to hard to get what amounts to a combo meal out of people :p
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Re: RELEASE: FreeSpace Open Installer, v2.1.7
It's still easier than it is now, with no mention at all.  :P

 

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Re: RELEASE: FreeSpace Open Installer, v2.1.7
No asks in the Installer. We need to radiate trustworthiness here. Anything with even a sniff of money on it is going to make people leery. We already suffer attrition on the 'Install Java' step from users who think it's some kind of malware.

 

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Re: RELEASE: FreeSpace Open Installer, v2.1.7
Caffeine -  phobic, eh? XD

And I don't think we meant ask, more like a button on the bottom of the final page that you would only notice on the side, not that prominent.

 

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Re: RELEASE: FreeSpace Open Installer, v2.1.7
This stuff looks interesting for avoiding the "perception" of needing to download & install java:

http://www.excelsior-usa.com/articles/java-to-exe.html
http://launch4j.sourceforge.net/
http://gcc.gnu.org/java/
http://www.excelsiorjet.com/ (zero purchase price license may apply to the installer?)

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Re: RELEASE: FreeSpace Open Installer, v2.1.7
With all due respect, I still find it hard to believe that so many people out there didn't have Java installed, or going further, had never even heard of Java.  There are a lot of web apps out there that rely on it, so you'd figure they would have been bugged about not having it at some point in the past.

 

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Re: RELEASE: FreeSpace Open Installer, v2.1.7
I can only report my experience providing support during the explosion of the Steam forums. A minority of users reported any trouble with the Java step, but it was flagged a few times.

  

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Re: RELEASE: FreeSpace Open Installer, v2.1.7
Yeah, I saw that too, and that's what I was referring to.  It was the one part of the process that I'd thought would have been fairly issue free.  Though as they say, when you assume...

 

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Re: RELEASE: FreeSpace Open Installer, v2.1.7
I don't think we'll see a huge wave of GOOB STOLE MAH MONIES or something.

You know, the FSO Installer is not bound by the same license restrictions as the SCP.  I would be perfectly justified in including a DONATE button linked to my personal Paypal account. :D


We already suffer attrition on the 'Install Java' step from users who think it's some kind of malware.

You might be able to mitigate that by pointing out that the code is GPL'd and available for anyone to examine.  (Admittedly, that won't convince people who are against Java itself.)


This stuff looks interesting for avoiding the "perception" of needing to download & install java:

http://www.excelsior-usa.com/articles/java-to-exe.html
http://launch4j.sourceforge.net/
http://gcc.gnu.org/java/
http://www.excelsiorjet.com/ (zero purchase price license may apply to the installer?)

:)

Good investigative work. :yes:  Turey's 2006 installer had an EXE version available that was compiled under Excelsior JET.  I haven't seriously pursued it yet because the installer has had a lot of updates, but one person PMmed me to ask for an EXE.

 

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Re: RELEASE: FreeSpace Open Installer, v2.1.7
Hi! I installed using your installer thingy and then had errors, which were quickly solved by the guys on IRC - I didn't have OpenAL installed. Isn't this installer supposed to take care of that? I attached my log files, in case they're useful... a quick look inside makes me suspect the installer could find it, but FSO couldn't, for some reason.

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Re: RELEASE: FreeSpace Open Installer, v2.1.7
Hi! I installed using your installer thingy and then had errors, which were quickly solved by the guys on IRC - I didn't have OpenAL installed. Isn't this installer supposed to take care of that? I attached my log files, in case they're useful... a quick look inside makes me suspect the installer could find it, but FSO couldn't, for some reason.

Yes, that's what happened.  The Installer was able to load OpenAL, but FSO wasn't.  (The Installer will only ask you to install OpenAL if it can't be found.)

This is somewhat surprising.  Does Windows 8.1 ship with its own version of OpenAL?  Do you know what version of OpenAL you had before you installed the one provided by the folks on IRC?

 

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Re: RELEASE: FreeSpace Open Installer, v2.1.7
I don't know, sorry... but searching my entire hard drive for files named or containing 'openal' turns up a copy of OpenAL32.dll in Dolphin's folder on my desktop, as well as in a few folders under Steam (RailWorks, Unreal Gold, and Psychonauts), one in OpenRA, and a file called OpenALwEAX.exe in C:\UnrealTournament\System\... might one of those be the culprit?

Oh, and the exact error I got was "The procedure entry point alcCaptureStart could not be located in the dynamic link library C:\Games\Freespace2\fs2_open_3_7_<releventversion>.exe", if that helps.
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Re: RELEASE: FreeSpace Open Installer, v2.1.7
fsports are can't download from installer anymore?

 

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Re: RELEASE: FreeSpace Open Installer, v2.1.7
I don't know, sorry... but searching my entire hard drive for files named or containing 'openal' turns up a copy of OpenAL32.dll in Dolphin's folder on my desktop, as well as in a few folders under Steam (RailWorks, Unreal Gold, and Psychonauts), one in OpenRA, and a file called OpenALwEAX.exe in C:\UnrealTournament\System\... might one of those be the culprit?

Oh, and the exact error I got was "The procedure entry point alcCaptureStart could not be located in the dynamic link library C:\Games\Freespace2\fs2_open_3_7_<releventversion>.exe", if that helps.

Unfortunately I'm not a person who can answer that.  We'd need one of the coders who specializes in OpenAL to check. :blah:

fsports are can't download from installer anymore?

The mirror is probably down.  Wait for a few days and it may come back up.

 

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Re: RELEASE: FreeSpace Open Installer, v2.1.7
It seems that bcKq will not be able to provide a Polish translation after all.  Is there another Polish speaker who would be willing to assist?