[swashmebuckle]

Ultimately, I think that it's just a matter of attitude. Just show a bit more remorse and hand-wringing...

It sounds kind of cynical (in the "it's all an act" way), but this is really powerful and practical advice. Asking people to relate to your struggle to produce a work with limited resources goes a lot further than self righteously trying to convince them that you're not actually doing anything bad. Of course, this only works if you actually are struggling financially. If you can afford to do it the right way and chose not to then you blew it and no public display will save your case. A lot of people seem to struggle with this point.

Kudos for posting jamendo.com too, I totally forgot about that site.

[Luis Dias]

So is that sticky thread with all the already mentioned sources of goodies and a lot of potentially great other ones going to be made or was the concern just of the trolling kind? HMM?

[T-Man]

So is that sticky thread with all the already mentioned sources of goodies and a lot of potentially great other ones going to be made or was the concern just of the trolling kind? HMM?

Heh, apologies for delay (am a UKer so sleep cycle is slightly different to a lot of the board) . I do think yourself and Cyborg are on the right track; if we find any good places for royalty free and the like pop the links up on a thread somewhere (as some have been on here already); that'll be a good way to go (and would've in hindsight likely been a much better solution in the first place to be honest than my 'mope at the world' I've been doing here ).

If the moderators of the Modding section don't mind us doing so, perhaps we could add a list of music and sound sites to the Tutorials and resources list??

[Dragon]

That would actually be really useful. After encountering "I know that song!" syndrome a few times (and a few more retroactively. I've heard music from Universe At War in FS before actually I played the game) I found myself wishing for alternatives that were not used anywhere else. At least, that was back when I seriously thought I could finish a mod of my own, but I'm sure there are people who thought about the same thing.

[Droid803]

I've refrained from saying anything regarding the actual copyright debate because I couldn't word it in a non-inflammatory way but I'll just say that if there's any requirement or even a strong compulsion to go "legit" popping up, I'd rather just never mod FS2 again than deal with the hassle.

I get it, some of you actually want to use your work as a stepping stone to get into game development, make a portfolio or something. Some of you have this story you want to tell everyone, and this is your way to express it. For achieving those ends, going "legit" is probably a worth cause. But not everyone mods for that purpose. I mod FS2 because it's fun (usually). I don't make a campaign to tell a story to anyone else - I do it to put a story I have in my head down so I can go experience it in a tangible form not just my imagination, or sometimes its thrown in as an afterthought. I don't care if nobody downloads it - I don't have any ego to feed, or an end goal to all of this - sure, it makes me happy if other people are having fun with what I "made", but that's just icing on the cake. I'm perfectly happy with never releasing anything ever again if there's going to be some requirement on what music I put in, because I put the music in there for myself to listen to while I test/play the stuff on my own. People were interested so I shared. I can always stop sharing. Saves me the massive hassle of testing and making sure things work on other people's systems and all.

If it's really so wrong to share ripped music and that's what the community agrees on, then fine. It won't be. Along with everything else.

I could say a lot more, but that'd just risk me coming off as a lazy asshat, so I won't say it.

[JCDNWarrior]

I suppose the best or only way to really get around copyright completely is to find people willing to make entire original soundtracks for mods. Which makes things even harder for the smaller modders out there, I would imagine. As I can only speak for myself, I can listen to music and quickly envision events that I would love to (re)produce with that music to guide the action and story but if said music would cause issues in any way that is very discouraging for me. I've been very picky and procrastinatory to begin with, so..

It's not a simple issue but with modding, non-commercial usage, the legal basis shouldn't be a big concern, to me - More important (to me) is how people respond to modders using said music, since it has a huge impact on the overall experience.