[Col.Hornet]

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/13/world/paris-shooting/index.html

I will just leave it here. At least 60 people killed, there will probably be more .

In my opinion... this is not a terrorist attack, not a "single case of violence"l. THIS IS A GOD DAMN WAR!
War with all values that Europeans live by.

Of course main suspect is the ISIS. They are getting obliterated in Syria/Iraq by the Kurds, Iraqi military, Syrian Arab Army and Russian Air Force and they will try to bite back as hard as they can. So I'm afraid that this can be just a beginning.

All my thoughts are with the French now.
Stay strong.

[Akalabeth Angel]

Certainly depressing and makes me question whether France is really a place I'd like to visit.

I'm not sure that it's a 'war of values' however.  Politicians espouse values, but at the end of the day they're tossed aside for influence, power or money.

Case in point, former Prime Minister of Canada Steven Harper called the Muslim Niqab inherently anti-woman, spewed rhetoric against ISIS and against potential terrorists hiding among incoming refugees and at the same time, under his administration a crown-corporation (government owned) brokered a deal with Saudi Arabia for 14.8 Billion dollars worth of military vehicle exports. Saudi Arabia one of the most oppressive countries on the planet and a known sponsor, or country with sponsors, of extremist groups in Syria and elsewhere.

It's all a load of horse****.

[headdie]

BBC is reporting 18 dead and a number of hostages
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34814203

People of Paris, be safe

[Col.Hornet]

Situation is developing. AT forces began the attack on concert hall where hostages are being kept. Borders were closed.
Some say that French army has been deployed to the streets.

[Rhys]

I might be reaching here, but maybe this has something to do with "Jihadi John"'s supposed death?

[headdie]

I might be reaching here, but maybe this has something to do with "Jihadi John"'s supposed death?

no information on who is behind this

Also BBC live report for those who can view it
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-34815972

[Col.Hornet]

I might be reaching here, but maybe this has something to do with "Jihadi John"'s supposed death?

Some sources claim that he was wiped off the surface of our beloved planet by a drone attack. But that's not confirmed yet.

[headdie]

I might be reaching here, but maybe this has something to do with "Jihadi John"'s supposed death?

Some sources claim that he was wiped off the surface of our beloved planet by a drone attack. But that's not confirmed yet.

I believe the US are the ones to announce killing him in some form of airstrike, if that was manned or a drone I dont know

[General Battuta]

The turnaround time between Jihad John and today is way too short.

[Col.Hornet]

I would like to point out a few things. Look what happened within a few past weeks.

-Russian Air force is getting involved in Syria. They are giving the terrorists heavy pounding, Al- Assad's forces are advancing, liberating a big chunk of land.
-Few weeks later a Russian civilian jet falls down and crashes. 90% of certainty that IS is behind this.
-kurds are cutting off ISIS from their supply lines on Syrian-Turkish borders.
-Syrian Arab Army has broken a 2-year siege of Kuweires  airbase near Aleppo. ISIS supply lines to that city from Ar-Raqqa will be cut off within a couple of days. Assault and liberation of Aleppo from ISIS will be possible within a couple of weeks maybe months.

Conclusion? ISIS is losing that war. Russia accelerated that process. And they will try to kill as many people in remote locations as they can before going down.

[headdie]

Sounds like Bataclan siege has been resolved via Counter Terrorist assault

[Col.Hornet]

It's over. But I'm afraid that this turned out to be a massacre. Heard that terrorists were using frag grenades.

[X3N0-Life-Form]

Again ? Well this is gonna be a fun week-end...

Certainly depressing and makes me question whether France is really a place I'd like to visit.

As a rule of thumb, staying away from Paris is a good way to avoid all kinds of trouble.

[JCDNWarrior]

I wonder how they're going to safeguard from more attacks with those open borders across Europe and ghettos around Paris, London and many other European cities, even if they're only now locking them down.
Also: One of the bombs that went off was very close to President Hollande. It's possible this bomb was an attempt on his life.

Also in other news: The Calais "Jungle" camps has been set ablaze, potentially in response. Don't have much more than that at the moment of writing.

[CKid]

I believe that the bomb you are talking about was detonated at the front gates near the entrance to the stadium, not inside with President Hollande.

[Akalabeth Angel]

100+ dead now including the concert hall.

[Dragon]

Bastards. Well, I hope that Russians will soon finish off ISIS. That can't come quickly enough. While normally I don't approve of their rougher methods, in this case, I'd say they go right ahead and do their worst. Few people deserve to be worked to death in Siberian gulags, but it would be the most appropriate fate for those terrorists, I believe. If they'd picked that place to annex instead of Ukraine, nobody would've complained.

Also, I think that it's a good time for France (and Germany, and perhaps other EU countries as well) to rethink their refugee policy. I certainly wouldn't like to see an "Islamic State of France and Germany" pop up some time after ISIS is cut down by Syrians and Russians... We all remember Jesus and his story about a good Samaritan. I urge people to also remember Aesop and his story about farmer and the viper. I wouldn't be surprised if that's how those bastards got in.

[Akalabeth Angel]

Also, I think that it's a good time for France (and Germany, and perhaps other EU countries as well) to rethink their refugee policy.

Do you have information that states the nationality of the attackers?
The Charlie Hebo attack was perpetrated by French-born "terrorists", not refugees, immigrants or other foreigners.

[Sandwich]

~140 dead and counting.

I wish I could say I didn't see something like this coming, but the flood of Syrian refugees into European countries was almost certainty infiltrated by ISIS. I definitely didn't expect it so soon, though.

I grieve with the people of Paris, of France, and of the entire civilized world. :'(

[General Battuta]

Also, I think that it's a good time for France (and Germany, and perhaps other EU countries as well) to rethink their refugee policy.

Do you have information that states the nationality of the attackers?
The Charlie Hebo attack was perpetrated by French-born "terrorists", not refugees, immigrants or other foreigners.

The only semi-official statement I saw was that the attack was probably perpetrated by people who'd traveled from France to Iraq/Lebanon/Syria and then returned to France, which doesn't seem like refugees.