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Offline karajorma

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I always thought Delta Serpentis was the terran capital and Beta Aquilae was the GTVA capital.

It seems odd that the GTVA capital would be in the same system as the terran one. Is there any canon information that says different?
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I always thought Delta Serpentis was the terran capital and Beta Aquilae was the GTVA capital.


You could well be right on that. It would make sense. What do you think Pegasus?

 

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Thanks, Ross 128 is fixed now. I need to know it the fullscreen button works in everyones browsers?

 

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I always thought Delta Serpentis was the terran capital and Beta Aquilae was the GTVA capital.


Wouldn't the two be the same thing though? Although it is quite possible that you are right; the Terran and Vasudan arms of the GTVA political system could be in DS and Aldebaran respectively, with the main joint political organization and the military headquarters in BA.

 

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Did Rodine and Diones get scraped as system names? I think Rodine is Ross 128 but im not sure. As for Diones i havnt a clue apart from it is a Vasudan system.

Also should i show Cappela as a nebula now?
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Concerning Vasuda Prime, Delta Serpentis and Beta Aquilae:

Vasuda is the name of the star system, while Vasuda Prime is the name of the Vasudan home planet (since it's called "Vasuda PRIME" we can safely assume that this planet is the closest to the Vasuda sun). After VP was blasted by the Lucifer and made uninhabitable, the Vasudans moved their capital to Aldebaran. (I'm pretty sure this is in the FS2 database somewhere.)

Delta Serpentis became the provisional Terran capital after the Sol node collapsed.

Beta Aquilae IS in fact the capital of the GTVA. One of the failure debreifing messages in the FS2 mission where you have to escort a supply convoy to the Colossus in the Epsilon Pegasi system specifically mentions Beta Aquilae as the GTVA capital, so it is FS2 canon. It's obscure canon, but canon nonetheless.

So to sum up:

Former Vasudan capital: Vasuda prime

Present Vasuda capital: Aldebaran

Former Terran Capital: Sol (I mean, duh! Where do you live, Bubba? ;) :D )

Present Terran Capital: Delta Serpentis

Present GTVA capital: Beta Aquilae
« Last Edit: August 06, 2002, 12:44:43 pm by 387 »
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Former Vasudan capital: Vasuda prime

Present Vasuda capital: Aldebaran

Former Terran Capital: Sol (I mean, duh! Where do you live, Bubba? ;) :D )

Present Terran Capital: Delta Serpentis

Present GTVA capital: Beta Aquilae


That certainly makes sense. :nod: Also, in addition to the "present" capitals, I'm betting that Deneb and Vega, and possibly Antares and Vasuda as well, are among the major centers of population and commerce and these seven systems are sort of the heart of the T-V civilization.
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One thing. Vasuda prime might not be the closest to the star. I could be so called cause it's the most important planet in the solar system.
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Last night while conducting my FSURP research I stumbled upon this (which has already been stated by the looks of it):

"The news from the capital in Beta Aquilae is not good. Support for a negociated settlement is growing in the Security Council, even with the Colossus now operational. Opponents of the Colossus program denounce the project as a monstrosity prone to logistic failure."

Now we can interpret this in many ways. News from the capital of the GTVA in Beta Aquilae or news from the capital of Beta Aquilae. But I think it's safe to assume that Beta Aquilae is the capital of the GTVA, while Aldebaren is the Vasudan capital and Delta Serpentis is the capital of Terran space.

Vasuda Prime is only called Prime because it's the Prime planet in the system. It has nothing to do with its order from the Vasuda star.

Ok, I've got all the system's canon facts from FS-TGW, FS-ST, FS2 (only the first chapter so far):

Betelgeuse System
Has an asteroid field[/i]

Antares System
Has a dense asteroid field
Has an asteroid belt[/i]
Has at least one planet

Ikeya
The primary star has a violet colour. Must be a O or B type star. It's size class is undeterminable.

Vasuda
Has at least one planet
Vasuda Prime is habitable. It was the homeworld of the Vasudans before the Lucifer rendered most of its surface uninhabitable. But there still are 'pockets' that can be inhabited on the surface of Vasuda Prime.

Deneb
Has at least three planets
Cygnus Prime (Deneb III) is a habitable planet, which supports a Vasudan population. (It is the planetf background in FRED2.)
One other planet in the system uses the planeth background
Has an asteroid belt near the planeth

Altair
Has at least four planets
Altair IV is possible habitable is is the first site of the Ancients discovery.

Ribos
Has at least four planets
Ribos IV was once mentioned

Gamma Draconis
This system is/was uninhabited
Has no planets
Has no resources (eg. Asteroids, etc)

Epsilon Pegasi
Has an asteroid field behind the Capella Jump Node

Hope this helps Riven.

-edit- Gamma Draconis
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One thing more about Gamma Draconis: it has NO planets. Petrarch mentions this exact thing during his command briefing near the beginning of the game when he talks about the GTSC Erikson science cruiser visiting Gamma drac 15 years prior on a routine sweep and found nothing unusual (thereby not noticing the Knossos portal).

IIRC, Petrarch's exact words were: "Gamma Draconis is a remote, uninhabitiated system. It has no planets and no resources to speak of. The GTSC Erikson visited the system 15 years ago and detected nothing out of the ordinary."

So this system was completely uninhabited at the time of FS2.

Of course, after the Capella supernova, the only things living there now are Shivans. Gamma Drac is behind enemy lines now.
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One thing more about Gamma Draconis: it has NO planets.


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It all depends on when you decide to set the nodemap.  Pre-FS1, Vasuda Prime is habitable, and supports a heavy population (duh).  Between FS1 and FS2, all systems through Gamma Draconis are explored, the sol node is colapsed, and Vasuda Prime is desolate (though still habitable).  FS2 era, Capella is a star, not a nebula, with at least three planets, and there are two known systems, one a nebula, past Gamma Draconis.  Post FS2, Capella is a nebula, with no planetoids, dust belts, or anything like that, but the star should still remain, though faint, at the center of the nebula.  The Gamma Draconis nebula (or whatever it's called) has a star in it too, since it's FS hard coded to have one.  Also, fleet stationing will have to be altered accordingly, as the third fleet (GTD Aquitane) now has no base of operations.  Explored systems, whether held by the GTVA or its enemies, should all be displayed with the same color; no distinction should be made on a nodemap to account for shifting battle lines.  Also, listing major battles (missions from FS1 or FS2 that involved capital ships) should be included in system info, as well as the name and location of any installations in the system (deep space, orbiting nth planet, edge of asteroid field, etc.)  That way such a map could be used by modders and mission designers to set events within the FS universe without blatent contradiction to the :V: missions (canon info).
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Well by that point, there basically IS no Third Fleet, with the Aquitaine being one of the few destroyers remaining
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Well, I suppose that they would have transferred more ships to that fleet. (both newly manufactured stuff and ships from the fleets in the more remote systems)

 
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The Gamma Draconis nebula (or whatever it's called) has a star in it too, since it's FS hard coded to have one.


The nebula would have to have a star, otherwise you wouldn't be able to see anything...

Info for thought: In real life, a nebula would be nothing like the one in FS2 or most science fiction movies. The particles inside a nebula are spaced out to about one particle per metre (or centimetre - I can't remember now), so it wouldn't be fluidic at all. It would just be like a distant haze if you were inside one. It's just from a distance, all those particles put together creates a wonderful pretty looking nebula.
Same counts true of asteroid belts. Or at least the Solar Asteroid Belt... Our asteroid belt isn't as dense as you might think. There are thousands of asteroids orbiting Sol in the asteroid belt, but you'd be very lucky to see three asteroids from one position. It would be rare to see two at the same time also.

 

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Great stuff everyone, thanks:yes: