Ok, you have a point. WW2 was finally over after the allies attacked and took back most of Europe and the Pacific. Yes, of course. I'm not saying that the allies should have just thrown down they're weapons and just started pleading with the Axis.
However, Hitler does still bother Europe and the world to this day. Neo-Nazis. I don't care what you think about them, but they ARE a problem. An increasing problem.
I agree with you there. Neo-nazis are a problem everywhere they are. Though this may be splitting hairs, they follow his legacy, not him. Hitler himself isn't doing anything but rotting. Neither war, nor diplomacy can erase his ideas. Only censorism can and thats a whole other can of worms.
My point is that the whole War wouldn't have even begun if it was not for the violent actions that preceded it. Being a realist, I do know that the world is stuck a vicious cycle, where one violent solution would be used to fix the problems caused by the violent solutions preceding it. And as we can see, its worked to a degree. What I mean is that this world is living in a state of vigilance becuase of the violent mistakes of the past. (God I'm starting to sound like a hippy. And I was even a sniper in the army...) true true, and you're not a hippy
What I'm trying to say I guess is that if the world would join together in a regime where it would create two social classes where ultimate power is the talk of the day and the only way to solve conflicts is to just blow the heads off the enemies and anyone who happens to be in the way, would not work. Because its basically happening today. i never said it was the only way, I was just pointing out that believing violence doesn't work is silly and nieve
See, you're looking at it from the inside. Yeah, I guess it would work IF the world would be united. But the realism is that the world is not united and will not be for many hundreds of more years, and when it does finally begin to unite, I doubt it will be under system like Heinleins. Thats the flaw of these governments, like fascism and communism. Yeah, they look great on paper but are inpractical and down right horrible in real life, because when one country adops that form of government, the other countries either fear or get angry at them for it. The only way that the mentioned governments might work is if the world would unite under one single government. But as I said before, it will not. And even if it would unite under any of those governments, think how easy it is to corrupt it. If the world would be united under a Heinlein Government, it would be quite easy for any member nation to just point a finger at another nation and say that they were a threat to the whole. Even though the nation is innocent. What would happen without negotiation? They would be wiped out.see above
NOW... As I've been reading this thread I can see that both of us do in fact have points. We know that decicive acts of force do 
sometimes solve a problem easier and more efficiently than half assed diplomacy. I agree, like the whole thing in Afganistan. I agree with America whole heartedly. But then again, we can see that other issues cannot be solved with violence alone like in Israel (come on, Israel has the power to wipe out all of the Palastinians if they wanted to, but that would just make EVERYONE pissed off). So, as it is today, the use of force should be a last resort, when all other methods of solving the problem has failed. That I agree in.I agree wholeheartedly on all points. But in the case of israel, I don't see any end to it. The Israelis thins its their land, the palestinians feel like its their land. And they keep people in power who dont want to see an end to the fighting or a reasonable solution. Whats left to try? I say build a dome over the entire area, dont let anyone in or out, and let them have it out. In 10 years we open up the done. If its not done, we close it back up again.
I guess my own utopian society where there wouldn't be a use of force also requires the world to be united, which again is an impossibility.
So I guess the way things are going now is at least for the moment the best way to handle things. [/quote]
For the moment. I think we're done. That was fun.
