[Star Dragon]

Opinion on UN forces - Waste of time, money , and effort. Also the main reason the US has to go in cause at least WE do something. TRUE our leadership often changes horses but that's cause the're human and can be swayed by politics (few in this world can truly be committed to a goal).

     On Terrorists - That's why you have to understand the mind of a suicide bomber. They hate you, they will kill you, if their death is necissary to accomplish that goal so be it (it wil be done). That is why when I see clips of people (in any country) Burning our flag, and chanting 'Death to America' I say bring it on, let's get it over once and for all, winner takes everything!

On Iraq - One bullet can change the world (Kennedy). Last thing I'll say is "I'm gonna get into this Robot and KICK YOUR ASS!" - Gary Grahm (Robot Jox)...

[Tiara]

Originally posted by Star Dragon
Opinion on UN forces - Waste of time, money , and effort. Also the main reason the US has to go in cause at least WE do something.

I truly despise this... You act as if America is THE best country in the world. They are NOT. They may have grown big they but that doesn't mean they can just decide what to do with the world.

[Carl]

you know, it still baffles me why people hate us so much. America is probably the most generous, selfless nation to ever exsist on the planet earth. we've sent more aid and suppies than any other country, but people still hate us. you know, if saddam really did nuke us, the whole world would go down the toilet.

[Kellan]

Originally posted by Pegasus V
Maybe they were... Are you saying they weren't? When did all this happen?

They weren't. For gadssakes, the island was tiny. It had one airport, recently built, that was commerical in nature. As it happened, the US eventually quietly withdrew its forces, offering no vindication nor apology/compensation.

Having read the article that Sandwich and daveb directed us to, I have to say that it plays on the emotions and on very obvious religious stereotypes more than it offers concrete evidence. By the logic of the article, I would be no more at fault if I opposed US/Christian world domination because the Bible has some incredibly archaic passages?

So, um...Christianity is all well and good, right? But how about the bits where it says women can't have jobs outside the home, or homosexuals should be killed and will go to hell, and how, when waging war it is important not only to kill the fighting men but to kill the civilians, men, women, children and cattle?

Oh, but you say that Christianity has evolved past that. That the vast majority of people are moderate in-between the poles of extremism. Funny that no other religion is like that, hmm?

[vyper]

Originally posted by Tiara


I truly despise this... You act as if America is THE best country in the world. They are NOT. They may have grown big they but that doesn't mean they can just decide what to do with the world.

*sits in corner waving little Union Jack*

Am I implying we are the best in the world? Surely not? *whips out Saltire*

[Kellan]

Originally posted by Carl
you know, it still baffles me why people hate us so much. America is probably the most generous, selfless nation to ever exsist on the planet earth. we've sent more aid and suppies than any other country, but people still hate us. you know, if saddam really did nuke us, the whole world would go down the toilet.

Nah-ah. America donates about 0.11% of it's GDP annually to foreign aid - or in other words, 11 cents in every $1000. That's a pitiful amount compared to the World Bank target of 4% GDP. Only countries like Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Holland meet or exceed that.

And you are confusing hating the American government's foreign policy with hating American people in general. I like the people. I hate the President.

[Tiara]

Originally posted by Kellan

Only countries like Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Holland meet or exceed that.

*Waves Dutch flag*

Thank you for stating so...

[Kellan]

Originally posted by Tiara


*Waves Dutch flag*

Thank you for stating so...

Credit where it's due, Tiara. If only we were a bit more like the Dutch.

[vyper]

I've suddenly realised why many people don't want to go into Iraq. They're afraid we get drawn into a long term war with her allies and hence might get called up....


"If one good man does not act in the face of wrong, if one liberty is taken, if one cheek turned... then the first link of a chain is forged that binds us all"

[Kellan]

Originally posted by vyper
I've suddenly realised why many people don't want to go into Iraq. They're afraid we get drawn into a long term war with her allies and hence might get called up....

Oh, I see. The "call us all cowards" ploy.

I'm still undecided about the morality of fighting. Depends if the war in just or unjust - but even if it's just, I might still have moral objections about killing etc.

[Tiara]

Originally posted by Kellan


Credit where it's due, Tiara. If only we were a bit more like the Dutch.

Now only if we coould have some better looking Minister-Presidents we'd be settled.

Originally posted by Kellan


Oh, I see. The "call us all cowards" ploy.

I'm still undecided about the morality of fighting. Depends if the war in just or unjust - but even if it's just, I might still have moral objections about killing etc.

Exactly!

[Carl]

Originally posted by Kellan
So, um...Christianity is all well and good, right? But how about the bits where it says women can't have jobs outside the home, or homosexuals should be killed and will go to hell, and how, when waging war it is important not only to kill the fighting men but to kill the civilians, men, women, children and cattle?

let's not let this turn into a religious discussion, because i will lock it the second it does.

and btw, it doesn't say women shouldn't have jobs outside the home, homosexuals are going to hell because they don't believe in God, and the war thing was a special case during the Isreal reconquest of canaan.

[Kellan]

Originally posted by Tiara
Now only if we coould have some better looking Minister-Presidents we'd be settled.

You like a man in a suit, or are you attracted to the power?

[Tiara]

Originally posted by Carl


let's not let this turn into a religious discussion, because i will lock it the second it does.

and btw, it doesn't say women shouldn't have jobs outside the home, homosexuals are going to hell because they don't believe in God, and the war thing was a special case during the Isreal reconquest of canaan.

First you say we shouldn't make it a religion thread and you start religoin talk..

[Carl]

just showing you your errors before going on to the original purpose of this thread, which is that we should attack iraq.

[Kellan]

Originally posted by Carl
let's not let this turn into a religious discussion, because i will lock it the second it does.

I promise that this will be my last word on religion except in passing, but hear me out for this. And don't lock the thread. I like it.

homosexuals are going to hell because they don't believe in God, and the war thing was a special case during the Isreal reconquest of canaan. [/B]

How do homosexuals not believe in God? I know a gay person who is a Christian, y'know. Unless someone has actually rejected God you can't just assume that they have. And as for the war thing, what about the Crusades and so on?

Anyway, that's not my point. Those were just randomly picked examples. My point is that saying that all Muslims want to stone women to death, kill children and so on - like the article was saying - is tantamount to religious hatred. I bet that I couldn't get away with an article in which I played on myths about Jews, or claimed they "drank blood" or any of that ****. I'd be crucified, so to speak.

So cool the religious hatred, m'kay?

[Carl]

Originally posted by Kellan
Nah-ah. America donates about 0.11% of it's GDP annually to foreign aid - or in other words, 11 cents in every $1000. That's a pitiful amount compared to the World Bank target of 4% GDP. Only countries like Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Holland meet or exceed that.

it's still more money. bah, we don't even have to give anything.

[Tiara]

Originally posted by Carl
just showing you your errors before going on to the original purpose of this thread, which is that we should attack iraq.

...or shouldn't... (yet)

[Kellan]

Originally posted by Carl
just showing you your errors before going on to the original purpose of this thread, which is that we should attack iraq.

You're distorting the thread if you start out from the assumption that we should attack Iraq. The question asked should be "should we attack Iraq?" A slight change in wording has a big change in meaning.

[Tiara]

Originally posted by Carl


it's still more money. bah, we don't even have to give anything.

If the US would give 4% to foreign aid like some () other countries do many problems could be solved.