Originally posted by Kellan
Yes, but - you are suggesting that all of their governments in the course of history have been uniformly corrupt or incompetent. Whilst I'm not saying that you're attributing it to "because they're black" soley, there is the suggestion that this may be a reason if you make such an exculsivist statement.
I never mentioned previous governments, I mentioned the governments
now that are instituting the policies
now that are screwing over their people
now1. As Kazashi said, their kids keep dying. So they have a lot.
You'd think people would realize, if your children are dying, they are dying for a reason, please stop having more than you can handle.
2. We forced a religion called Catholicism on them - which forbids contraception.
I don't recall catholics equaling the US government. If you wanna blame the church, make them pay for it, not me
4. Don't bull**** me about abstinence. I mean it.
Mean what? All I'm saying is only have as many children as you can adequately afford to keep healthy, if that's 1, 2, 100 kids, whatever. But if you cannot afford them, do not have them and then expect me to chip in.
It's not your fault that they have crap land, but it's not their fault either. So what, you gonna let them rot on it just because we were lucky enough to be born where the land is better, and not so important for survival?
Yes? Is it my
responsibility to? No. Is it my choice? Yes, and I choose not to.
It's a factor, not the be-all-and-end-all. We could have reduced the potential for mismanagement by governments if we didn't sell them weapons when we know that they can't feed their people, or sell them bad loans, oil-powered machinery etc.
It is not our fault their governments are stupid. If they wanna spend their money on weapons and not food, it's their own damn fault people are starving. I don't blame gun makers for war because they sell their guns to militaries.
Again, no. But it's not theirs.
So how is that my responsibilty?
I have a question for you. Do you give to charities? Y'know, help the elderly in the community, or guide dogs, or something like that? Ever, in your life?
If I want to, not when I'm told to
By applying the logic you have to the Third World, allow me to extrapolate.
1. Do blind people deserve my help, or the forbearance of society because they're blind? No.
2. Do sick people deserve the help of others to get them to a hospital or the help of a doctor to cure them? No.
3. Did the victims of September 11th deserve our help to save their lives? No.
Which, I guess just goes to prove CP's point that the concept of deserving is meaningless. 
You just asked and answered your own question, am I damned for all time because I don't help homeless kids in Africa? I don't think so
Another person had a charming little patriotic rant about how their nation worked for their money
Are you implying we didn't work for it?
then went on about fearing competing economies as if it were more important than the factor of survival.
Are you trying to tell me that bringing nations, as they stand, to a level comparable to ours is good for me?
What about the little countries that these bigger countries step on? Would manufacturers of those overly featured sports shoes still be as successful if they used cheap Asian labour in overseas sweat shops?
Why don't you go ask the leaders of these Asians countries who let their children be used as slaves? Nike did not come in with guns and say "Make shoes using slave labor or we kill you"
