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Offline Luis Dias

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Solo is actually better than the halo that surrounds it. And way better than its own cinematography, jfc, if it had a tenth of Rogue One's, it would actually be a really good movie.

 

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I skipped Solo because I heard Darth Maul was in it.  Keep prequel **** in the prequels, I don't know how I can say that more strongly than by not buying anything.
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Final Trailer Released
I skipped Solo because I heard Darth Maul was in it.  Keep prequel **** in the prequels, I don't know how I can say that more strongly than by not buying anything.

It's a pretty low bar and while I generally agree with you... Darth Maul was easily the best part about the prequels.
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Final Trailer Released
I mean they also gave us Episode 1 Racer, and that game kicked ass.

 

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I skipped Solo because I heard Darth Maul was in it.  Keep prequel **** in the prequels, I don't know how I can say that more strongly than by not buying anything.

I'm not exactly a fan of the prequels but I prefer the occasional references to an Orwellian retcon. Besides, Maul's story arc from Clone Wars to Rebels was good.
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I want a full on, Ancient Egyptian destroy-all-murals-depicting-the-prequels, total replacement of the prequels, and anything that derives from them.  I think continuing the Star Wars story forward when the base of the story is in such shambles is irresponsible.
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Final Trailer Released
I want a full on, Ancient Egyptian destroy-all-murals-depicting-the-prequels, total full on replacement of the prequels, and anything that derives from them.  I think continuing the Star Wars story forward when the base of the story is in such shambles is irresponsible.

After Disney will provided you with a replacement you'll deeply miss them. :p

 

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I'm willing to take that risk.  So far, Disney Star Wars has had a failing here and there, but nothing even remotely on the scale of the prequels' total bed ****ting.
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I will still maintain that, apart from Solo (a movie so deeply uninteresting to me that I haven't seen it yet), the Disney SW movies so far have been uniformly better than the George Lucas films. Rogue One is an unexpectedly brilliant addition to the canon, it's the "adult" Star Wars film that I never knew I wanted. TFA is something of a franchise reboot, a re-statement of the core themes of the original Star Wars before it all got muddled through layers of EU and prequel weirdness, TLJ is a deconstruction of a few lingering pieces of unexamined tropes in SW (the "chosen one" thing, the "lineage" bull**** that ran throughout the EU, the "bold hero is always right" stuff)...

I really didn't hate TLJ, but I'd have a hard time disagreeing more with the idea that TFA is interesting.  Even Revenge of the Sith was a more interesting movie than TFA, IMO.

Solo was better than TFA too.

TFA felt like bad fanfiction.  Which is pretty much what I should have expected from JJ Abrams.

It's a pretty low bar and while I generally agree with you... Darth Maul was easily the best part about the prequels.

Excuse me, the best part of the prequels is that they spawned Auralnauts Star Wars.
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Final Trailer Released
I want a full on, Ancient Egyptian destroy-all-murals-depicting-the-prequels, total replacement of the prequels, and anything that derives from them.  I think continuing the Star Wars story forward when the base of the story is in such shambles is irresponsible.

I don't know.  I think there's enough good ideas and material in the prequel trilogy that it wouldn't require such a dramatic, scorched-earth retcon.

There's a good story in there about the fall of a democratic society, the hubris of the Jedi leadership, and the danger of pouring your hopes into an individual "hero".  That just got buried in excessive (and bad) padding, poor casting choices (Hayden Christensen's performance was flatter than a plank of wood), and George Lucas' obsession with CGI (why are all the actors in a big, green box all the time?).

That's why there's good content that's spun out from the prequel material.  Clone Wars and Rebels built upon the political and character drama, without being weighed down by a lot of the baggage specific to the prequel films.  Luke Skywalker's entire emotional character arc in TLJ is borne out of his fuller understanding of Jedi history (and how it parallels his own) than what he had learned throughout the original trilogy.

The prequels could definately do with a remake that refocuses the narrative and maybe trims the whole affair down to eliminate the need for padding.  Burning it down and leaving nothing but a smoldering hole behind would be a mistake, though.

Kind of like the extended universe in some ways:  Keep the bits with merit; drop the nonsense.  No need to torture those crystals.

 

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I don't know.  I think there's enough good ideas and material in the prequel trilogy that it wouldn't require such a dramatic, scorched-earth retcon.

There's a good story in there about the fall of a democratic society, the hubris of the Jedi leadership, and the danger of pouring your hopes into an individual "hero". 

Kind of like the extended universe in some ways:  Keep the bits with merit; drop the nonsense.  No need to torture those crystals.

I emphatically disagree.  Especially since the movies are the touchstone for all of the books and other media.  When you watch them, you imagine the movies to set them in the same universe.  Turning the Jedi into a big stupid lazy church is only the start of the failures of imagination in the prequels.  Don't get me wrong, the theme of a democratic society ruining itself into a dictatorship is certainly relevant, but the Star Wars treatment of it didn't give anyone the conceptual tools to do anything about it.

I actually really dislike Clone Wars, just because of how it seems to have rehabilitated the prequels in the eyes of some star wars fans, making it harder to do what needs doing.
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It's telling how damaging the prequels were that people feel the need for them to be excised from canon. As nice as that would be, it will never happen. They're an integral part of the Star Wars Bible in a way the EU wasn't - because they were up there on the big screen. More importantly, they still bring in money through games, toys etc.

The best that could be done would be to reboot the franchise and we all know there's no way of that happening unless it becomes financially beneficial to do so. Perhaps maybe they might be rebooted 20 years from now, maybe. It would have to be a very hard reboot too, with significant deviations from the original prequels.

 

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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Final Trailer Released
Turning the Jedi into a big stupid lazy church is only the start of the failures of imagination in the prequels.  Don't get me wrong, the theme of a democratic society ruining itself into a dictatorship is certainly relevant, but the Star Wars treatment of it didn't give anyone the conceptual tools to do anything about it.

I disagree. The Jedi being a "big stupid lazy church" I think meshes well with the overarching plot of the fall of a decadent Republic that had rotted from stagnation and corruption, able to be overthrown--not from an external threat, but from within. It fits well with Anakin's frustration with the Jedi and the appeal of a New Order, built clean and fresh from the ground up, swept clear of the old ways.

Not only that but what we do see of the inner workings of the Order--their abduction and brainwashing of Force-sensitive youth, closing them off from emotion--expertly set up not only Anakin's downfall, due to his inability to let go of his attachments... but his redemption as well. Luke was able to redeem Anakin through familial and emotional connections, which would have been *impossible* for any of the old Jedi.

I detest TPM, and the entire prequel trilogy suffers from awful writing and direction, but the ideas and worldbuilding are rock solid. The responsibility falls squarely on Lucas' shoulders for both. He would have been much better served with an editorial staff to push back against, as he did with the OT, instead of a team of yes-men (talented as they are.)

The sequels are refreshing because it flipped the coin. Excellent direction, acting, and tactility; at a cost of worldbuilding, logical progression, character development, and thematic coherence (and as of TLJ, basic filmmaking). We appreciate having what Lucas got wrong, but now we miss what Lucas got right... what we took for granted.
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That the novelization of Revenge of the Sith is actually quite good proves that there was plenty of potential in the story the prequels wanted to tell if only they'd gotten better writing and direction.  The flaws were almost entirely in George Lucas's execution.

 

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I agree with Galemp :yes:

  
Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Final Trailer Released
That the novelization of Revenge of the Sith is actually quite good proves that there was plenty of potential in the story the prequels wanted to tell if only they'd gotten better writing and direction.  The flaws were almost entirely in George Lucas's execution.

I've actually really wanted to read that story. Thank's for reminding me.