[Stealth]

Originally posted by Shrike
Probably pretty good.  You could start with cultured neural cells or a processor system patterned off a brain.

oh c'mon man, we can't even make a robot that can communicate verbally... we can't even make a robot that will react to different emotions... stop thinking Steven Spielberg's AI and start thinking 21st century

EDIT:  I like the way you say it, but you obviously do'nt nkow how, so how is it so easy?  make one if you know how, then make billions and give us some of your money

[NegspectahDek]

Originally posted by aldo_14


A truly sentient AI would probably find a way to break or circumvent those 'laws', though.  There's not an exact human parallel, but surgery to repair organs that have failed through old cage could be considered similar.... and robots would have a lot more knowledge of their insides than we presently do.

when I say hard wired, I mean integral to the circuit design.  Meaning all AI actions have to through that 3 part checker before it can do them.  The only way it could get around it is to replace the circuit board and it would be hardwired against doing that.

[Zeronet]

Someone is behind on the times.


EDIT: bah! I was refering to Stealth.

[Stealth]

Originally posted by Zeronet


Someone is behind on the times.


EDIT: bah! I was refering to Stealth.

give me a true-life example of a robot that can take care of itself, has emotions, reacts to senses, etc.

c'mon... i certainly haven't heard of any!

And even if we could, it wouldn't be right, cause we don't (or shouldn't) have the right to give or take life!  Until now we've been able to take life, but not give life, and i don't think it's right for us to do either

[Shrike]

Originally posted by Stealth
oh c'mon man, we can't even make a robot that can communicate verbally... we can't even make a robot that will react to different emotions... stop thinking Steven Spielberg's AI and start thinking 21st century

EDIT:  I like the way you say it, but you obviously do'nt nkow how, so how is it so easy?  make one if you know how, then make billions and give us some of your money

Because we don't have the technology yet?  

That would be the theory of how to do it, now all we have to do is wait for that day not to far away when computers will have more processing power than the human brain.

Then things get interesting.

Singularity anyone?

[Kamikaze]

Originally posted by Stealth
And even if we could, it wouldn't be right, cause we don't (or shouldn't) have the right to give or take life!  Until now we've been able to take life, but not give life, and i don't think it's right for us to do either

Does sentience alone dictacte the existence/non-existence of life? The scientific definition of life I believe had 6 deciding factors.... (wait, by that do you mean we can't kill bacteria either? don't wash your hands hypocrite!!! )

[quadinhonic_II]

Would something LIKE, the Beast from HWC fall under what you want? I've played HWC many many times and the Beast acts like what you all are discribeing.

[Nico]

Originally posted by Stealth
 Until now we've been able to take life, but not give life, and i don't think it's right for us to do either

if I'm not mistaken, it'ws what all mothers do, but NM.
a sentient AI, is it life?

[Zeronet]

Originally posted by Stealth

give me a true-life example of a robot that can take care of itself, has emotions, reacts to senses, etc.

c'mon... i certainly haven't heard of any!

And even if we could, it wouldn't be right, cause we don't (or shouldn't) have the right to give or take life!  Until now we've been able to take life, but not give life, and i don't think it's right for us to do either

Firstly you only said either speak verbally or react to emotions. Both these things have been achieved. Secondly, humans are able to both take life and give it.

[Kamikaze]

Originally posted by Zeronet
Secondly, humans are able to both take life and give it.

and they do as well

[CP5670]

give me a true-life example of a robot that can take care of itself, has emotions, reacts to senses, etc.

The first and the third have of course already been done today - there are a number of projects going on around the world where robots live with other robots in an artificial environment to see how they act and try to solve problems, and even the first computers ever made had to react to senses (e.g. keyboards) or they would be next to useless - and the second can simply be programmed appropriately into the machine.

And even if we could, it wouldn't be right, cause we don't (or shouldn't) have the right to give or take life! Until now we've been able to take life, but not give life, and i don't think it's right for us to do either

bah, we have the "right" to do whatever we please.

[Kazashi]

Originally posted by Kamikaze


self-awareness can most likely be programmed, and the fuzzy logic required to learn by itself is programmed into the AI...
 

The point I was making is that to create sentience, you don't actually program self-awareness into it directly. It might end up easier to do, but would it actually have the understanding that comes with self-awareness? LIke the difference between downloading a model and building one yourself. One might be quick and easy, but you don't necessarily learn about how it went together. Unless you cheat by programming it in - but in this case, would the programmer necessarily manage to cover everything required?

[Tiara]

Originally posted by CP5670
...the human and the computer will henceforth become completely indistinguishable...

Does that mean we will all look like CP?








j/k

[CP5670]

[Stealth]

Originally posted by Shrike
Because we don't have the technology yet?  

That would be the theory of how to do it, now all we have to do is wait for that day not to far away when computers will have more processing power than the human brain.

Then things get interesting.

Singularity anyone?

i thought you were saying you know how

right now aren't the world's most powerful super-computers not even compete with the nervous system of a snail... so i don't think they'll ever EVER get as powerful as the human brian

[Stealth]

Originally posted by CP5670


The first and the third have of course already been done today - there are a number of projects going on around the world where robots live with other robots in an artificial environment to see how they act and try to solve problems, and even the first computers ever made had to react to senses (e.g. keyboards) or they would be next to useless - and the second can simply be programmed appropriately into the machine.



bah, we have the "right" to do whatever we please.

we have the "right" perhaps, but we don't know how, so it doens't make a difference!

There is no robot that can live on its own, no robot that can repair itself...

oh c'mon... so because a keyboard can react to senses you're saying robots can?  show me a robot that can even compete with a human in any way!!!
i guarantee you won't find it.  we're not NEAR that technology yet
no robot has senses, can live on its own, can interact, etc.  admit it... robots are not NEAR our level!

[Styxx]

Originally posted by Stealth
we have the "right" perhaps, but we don't know how, so it doens't make a difference!

There is no robot that can live on its own, no robot that can repair itself...

oh c'mon... so because a keyboard can react to senses you're saying robots can?  show me a robot that can even compete with a human in any way!!!
i guarantee you won't find it.  we're not NEAR that technology yet
no robot has senses, can live on its own, can interact, etc.  admit it... robots are not NEAR our level!

We're pretty close to that, actually. A while ago a strange incident happened on a research center that was conducting experiments on AI-driven robots (it was posted here, even): one of the robots managed to leave the facility all by itself, and find its way through half of the place's rather crowded parking lot before being "recaptured".

The scientists couldn't offer a good explanation for it, except for the robot "wanting to leave".

[Stealth]

Originally posted by Styxx


We're pretty close to that, actually. A while ago a strange incident happened on a research center that was conducting experiments on AI-driven robots (it was posted here, even): one of the robots managed to leave the facility all by itself, and find its way through half of the place's rather crowded parking lot before being "recaptured".

The scientists couldn't offer a good explanation for it, except for the robot "wanting to leave".

are you thinking of those "Short Circuit" movies? lol
just kidding

perhaps it "ran away" but it didn't make that choice on its own.  It would be different if someone hurt it and it decided to run away to protect itself.  It was probably programmed to avoid obstacles using sensors or what-have-you, and to move in a random direction or something...  nice try, but it didn't think to "run away" on its own...


EDIT:

The scientists couldn't offer a good explanation for it, except for the robot "wanting to leave".

bull****.  it was probably programmed to 'want' to leave... i remain in the same conviction, that the robot did not make that choice on its own, and if it did it was probably random

[Styxx]

They were programmed to avoid obstacles, yes, but their behaviour was generated by an AI system. Robots were pitched to "fight" each other at regular intervals, and the scientists were observing how they evolved their techniques and learned during said "fights". They were not programmed to leave, not in an explicit way, at least.

And if you just want to dismiss it, your choice.

[Stealth]

Originally posted by Styxx
They were programmed to avoid obstacles, yes, but their behaviour was generated by an AI system. Robots were pitched to "fight" each other at regular intervals, and the scientists were observing how they evolved their techniques and learned during said "fights". They were not programmed to leave, not in an explicit way, at least.

And if you just want to dismiss it, your choice.

hey it's just my opinion man

you say it was programmed to avoid obstacles, and correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't that exactly what it did?

. A while ago a strange incident happened on a research center that was conducting experiments on AI-driven robots (it was posted here, even): one of the robots managed to leave the facility all by itself, and find its way through half of the place's rather crowded parking lot before being "recaptured".

if you look at that, you'll see there's nothing that it did that wasn't in its programming!