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Re: Questions about Discord moderation
Yes you are accelerating the heat death of the universe :P

(but also this is just stupid sniping at eachother that does nothing except increase the signal-to-noise ratio of these forum posts, and ironically create the very drama that people have seen enough of lately!)

 
Re: Questions about Discord moderation
If this is, indeed, the hurtful and out of line slur that you believe it to be, aren't there better ways to raise your concerns than posting screen caps of that slur in a thread where the subject of it is active and will most likely be reading it?

Not everybody here is on Discord, still I think it's relevant to HLP.

 
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I did a fair bit of speaking for myself on the Discord but in the interest of forum observers who are confused and suspicious:

I know what I meant when I made that remark and I think it was 'morally' sound. At the same time, objectively, I can see that I was throwing around language too semantically close to 4chan edgelords in an already charged and fraught environment. That part was a mistake and one I don't particularly intend to make again. I would hope that outside observers have confidence in The E's judgement that it did not require censure, but I'm not going to put any effort into doubling down on a misunderstanding waiting to happen that I may have provoked.

Like Battuta I have reservations that this may just be an exercise in concern trolling.
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Re: Questions about Discord moderation
One thing to understand about moderation, any moderation: It depends a lot on context. We can not and do not want to create a fixed blacklist of terms and topics that will create an immediate call for moderator action.
In this particular case, I was the moderator "on call". I looked at the reported post, I looked at its context, and then used my knowledge of the people involved to determine if any intervention on my part was required. I didn't think that was the case; you, Nightmare, disagreed. As I said, you are free to do so, and maybe some other moderator will look at that stuff differently and come to a different conclusion.

As much as we may wish it, there is no definitive handbook for community moderation. All we can do is look at other communities and pick the parts that work and the parts that don't and see what we can do. I do not claim to be the ultimate authority on what constitutes good moderation; I am open to criticism and feedback on that topic.
That said, Nightmare, "You should no longer be Discord or forum if you consider this acceptable." is not what I would call useful as either criticism or feedback.
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Re: Questions about Discord moderation
Hold on, are you somehow implying that it's okay to offend a member of the HLP boards on the HLP Discord, in case said member doesn't normally use Discord itself? Is that an out of sight, out of mind philosophy?

No, any more than moderating is out of sight out of mind on it's own. I'm saying that if the words are offensive and shouldn't be allowed to be posted, because they are denigrating and hurtful to a person on the forum, then the ends of moderating those words are undermined by reposting them. If the motivation is compassion for Lorric , then waving around slurs directed at Lorric and demanding everyone look at them is not conducive to that motive. You could at least try to get in touch with other moderators first in other, less incendiary ways, before resorting to something like this.
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Re: Questions about Discord moderation
This thread is CringeTM and you people need to go have physical relations with people you know on a face to face basis, consensually of course.

There is a whole thread of another man's opinions you can fight about on freespace campaigns, this sort of **** is too stupid.

 
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I as a general rule would find it very difficult to talk about my own life on these forums or on the discord if autism itself was a banned word. It's literally a mental health diagnosis that applies to me, and I spent the last two and a half years in a mental health clinic having to deal with it. Autistic is a word that applies to me, is frequently used by mental health professionals when they are talking about me to me, etcetera.

I still think, Phantom Hoover, that it's rude to ascribe a mental health diagnosis to others. You are not a mental health professional, and if you were you'd be smart enough to know that you can't hand out that diagnosis over the internet.

but also seriously half the forum is autistic it's why we have so much drama arising out of social ineptitude

 
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That said, Nightmare, "You should no longer be Discord or forum if you consider this acceptable." is not what I would call useful as either criticism or feedback.

I said that about being moderator, what is an exclusive position. I did not ask you about anything besides that.

 
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This thread is CringeTM and you people need to go have physical relations with people you know on a face to face basis, consensually of course.

covid lockdown babyyyyyy
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Re: Questions about Discord moderation
I as a general rule would find it very difficult to talk about my own life on these forums or on the discord if autism itself was a banned word. It's literally a mental health diagnosis that applies to me, and I spent the last two and a half years in a mental health clinic having to deal with it.

I have a light case of asperger's, so yeah, nothing wrong with the word itself.


Don't get why people use it as an insult though, like the symptoms are rarely what the people who use it as an insult seem to think they are.
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Re: Questions about Discord moderation
I should probably make some sort of massive post about my mental health struggles simply becuase I think it's an issue worth talking about

 

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Re: Questions about Discord moderation
In regards to the non-discord moderation discussion going on here, would you please move that to a different thread?

I said that about being moderator, what is an exclusive position. I did not ask you about anything besides that.

No, you didn't ask me anything, initially. You called for a moderation response to something you thought crossed the line. I made a judgment call and said that it wasn't; you then said the above and proceeded to post the convo snippets in this thread.
This is your chance to act in a constructive manner by pointing out why, in your judgment, the statements you reported required moderator intervention, and why any disagreement with you on my part renders me, in your view, unfit to be a moderator either here or on discord.

You and Mobius wanted this situation treated seriously. So now here we are, treating it seriously.
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I also should talk about wanting to kiss men.

 

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Re: Questions about Discord moderation
You know, I'd actually go a step further and simply not offend other community members, just in case. It's an intrinsic rule of common sense.  :rolleyes:
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Re: Questions about Discord moderation
honest question have you read anything i've said in here
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Re: Questions about Discord moderation
I did a fair bit of speaking for myself on the Discord but in the interest of forum observers who are confused and suspicious:

I know what I meant when I made that remark and I think it was 'morally' sound. At the same time, objectively, I can see that I was throwing around language too semantically close to 4chan edgelords in an already charged and fraught environment. That part was a mistake and one I don't particularly intend to make again. I would hope that outside observers have confidence in The E's judgement that it did not require censure, but I'm not going to put any effort into doubling down on a misunderstanding waiting to happen that I may have provoked.

Like Battuta I have reservations that this may just be an exercise in concern trolling.

+1 to what PH and Batts said.
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Re: Questions about Discord moderation
In regards to the non-discord moderation discussion going on here, would you please move that to a different thread?

I said that about being moderator, what is an exclusive position. I did not ask you about anything besides that.

No, you didn't ask me anything, initially. You called for a moderation response to something you thought crossed the line. I made a judgment call and said that it wasn't; you then said the above and proceeded to post the convo snippets in this thread.
This is your chance to act in a constructive manner by pointing out why, in your judgment, the statements you reported required moderator intervention, and why any disagreement with you on my part renders me, in your view, unfit to be a moderator either here or on discord.

You and Mobius wanted this situation treated seriously. So now here we are, treating it seriously.

How offensive and defarmating do I have to be that you think it is finally something that it requires your attention?

 

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Re: Questions about Discord moderation

Neither "autistic" nor "autistic as ****" constitute a slur in this context.

There are very few things that will create a situation where I or other moderators will immediately bring the hammer down on someone. Outright spam. Complete bull**** like "the nazis were actually socialist!!!". Actual use of slurs, or use of innocuous words as slurs. This is not one of those.

As for "[The_E] thinks that slurs are fine": No, I do not. However, I am not the language police. I will not warn people off for using colorful language, so long as they do not cross the line.

Actual slurs being things that imply an intent to hurt the party the slur is used against. In my judgment, PH did neither do nor intend to do so. Am I wrong?
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So some weirdo saying "the nazis were actually socialist!!!" is more offensive to you than somebody using severe diseases for personal attacks?

 

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Re: Questions about Discord moderation
This is amazing in all the wrong ways. A thing was said that offended someone. A mod decided it didn't require moderation. The offended got mad. The offender gave a sincere apology (take notes... those of you have a hard time with this) regarding it all despite not being moderated. Why the **** are you still bickering about it?

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