[WMCoolmon]

Dunno if these are Freespacey, but more node boobytraps:
Shivan Garrote

A long line of taut, vibrating, heated monofilament wire stretched across the 'front' of a node and connected to two capital ships or specially designed thruster-generators. When a large vessel exits subspace, it is cleaved in two by the garrote. If the effect is not instantaneous, the vessels that the wire is attached to can follow along until the process is finished.

Obviously, the downside to this one is that the Shivans can blast the ships mounting the garrote.

Subspace Jujutsu

As an oncoming Shivan vessel exits subspace, a large (robot-controlled) GTVA vessel forcibly grapples to the Shivan vessel and opens another subspace portal, directly in front of the two craft. Unable to slow down due to its own momentum, the Shivan vessel would fly right into the new wormhole (and presumably to a fiery death at the system's sun or resident black hole. Asteroid fields or a planet's atmosphere would also be good exit points.)

Backdoor penetration
A small robotically-controlled bomb is positioned near a jump node. When a vessel begins to form, the bomb races to the back of the node, and as a large room begins to form, flies inside and waits for a few seconds before detonating.

(NB: I'm almost sure this wouldn't work, or else they simply would've had you park your fighter behind enemy vessels in all those 'scouting' missions and simply replay the footage.)

Shivan Aquarium
Place a large aquarium around a jump node. Fill it with dirty, sand-infested water with lots of rocks for good measure. Lasers would be useless, beam cannons and plasma weapons would be diffracted, and missiles would not have any propulsion capabilities. Flak cannons and any ballistically-propelled missiles would have to contend with the rocks.

High-Pressure Chamber
We know that all Shivan vessels are hardy spacecraft, most likely designed in a vacuum, so they must be able to withstand a pressure of at least 0 PSI. To exploit: Find one large container of sturdy material that's resistant to corrosive gas. Fill aforementioned container with said gas. Continue pressurizing until within 80% of container capacity. Station the apparatus at a jump node and wait for a Shivan vessel to jump in. Once the Shivan vessel has finished high-pressure therapy, vent the remains into the depths of space. Rinse. Repeat. Profit.

[mr.WHO]

Do you realize how much resources and power would be required to pressurize a hundreds cubic kilometers container to at least one Earth atmosphere?? It would be much easier and cheaper to build ****load of Mjolnirs and escort fighters.

[General Battuta]

I am deeply entertained by these suggestions, WMCoolmon.

However, they sound like something a post-scarcity hard SF society would try to pull, not something possible in Freespace. Space in Freespace still appears to be relatively dangerous to work in.

[TrashMan]

Dunno if these are Freespacey, but more node boobytraps:
Shivan Garrote

A long line of taut, vibrating, heated monofilament wire stretched across the 'front' of a node and connected to two capital ships or specially designed thruster-generators. When a large vessel exits subspace, it is cleaved in two by the garrote. If the effect is not instantaneous, the vessels that the wire is attached to can follow along until the process is finished.

Just tie a lot of such wires to the knossoss sections and set it to maximum spinning
Shivan frape, coming right up!

[Androgeos Exeunt]

Dunno if these are Freespacey, but more node boobytraps:
Shivan Garrote

A long line of taut, vibrating, heated monofilament wire stretched across the 'front' of a node and connected to two capital ships or specially designed thruster-generators. When a large vessel exits subspace, it is cleaved in two by the garrote. If the effect is not instantaneous, the vessels that the wire is attached to can follow along until the process is finished.

Just tie a lot of such wires to the knossoss sections and set it to maximum spinning
Shivan frape, coming right up!

That really, really sounds like an otherworldly idea. You CANNOT set the spin velocity of a Knossos, and in any case, you'll need wires at least, like what, ten clicks long by one click wide?

[Polpolion]

Dunno if these are Freespacey, but more node boobytraps:
Shivan Garrote

A long line of taut, vibrating, heated monofilament wire stretched across the 'front' of a node and connected to two capital ships or specially designed thruster-generators. When a large vessel exits subspace, it is cleaved in two by the garrote. If the effect is not instantaneous, the vessels that the wire is attached to can follow along until the process is finished.

Obviously, the downside to this one is that the Shivans can blast the ships mounting the garrote.

Subspace Jujutsu

As an oncoming Shivan vessel exits subspace, a large (robot-controlled) GTVA vessel forcibly grapples to the Shivan vessel and opens another subspace portal, directly in front of the two craft. Unable to slow down due to its own momentum, the Shivan vessel would fly right into the new wormhole (and presumably to a fiery death at the system's sun or resident black hole. Asteroid fields or a planet's atmosphere would also be good exit points.)

Backdoor penetration
A small robotically-controlled bomb is positioned near a jump node. When a vessel begins to form, the bomb races to the back of the node, and as a large room begins to form, flies inside and waits for a few seconds before detonating.

(NB: I'm almost sure this wouldn't work, or else they simply would've had you park your fighter behind enemy vessels in all those 'scouting' missions and simply replay the footage.)

Shivan Aquarium
Place a large aquarium around a jump node. Fill it with dirty, sand-infested water with lots of rocks for good measure. Lasers would be useless, beam cannons and plasma weapons would be diffracted, and missiles would not have any propulsion capabilities. Flak cannons and any ballistically-propelled missiles would have to contend with the rocks.

High-Pressure Chamber
We know that all Shivan vessels are hardy spacecraft, most likely designed in a vacuum, so they must be able to withstand a pressure of at least 0 PSI. To exploit: Find one large container of sturdy material that's resistant to corrosive gas. Fill aforementioned container with said gas. Continue pressurizing until within 80% of container capacity. Station the apparatus at a jump node and wait for a Shivan vessel to jump in. Once the Shivan vessel has finished high-pressure therapy, vent the remains into the depths of space. Rinse. Repeat. Profit.

You could also get this huge solid chunk of... stuff... and just put it right on top of the node. When the enemy ships materialize from subspace, they're stuck in the middle of it, whether it be solid steel or plastic.

EDIT: And the knossos is ~4.5 km in diameter, not 10.

[WMCoolmon]

That too...my concern with just a large block of stuff is that it would get pushed out of the way, or the wormhole would open somewhere around it.

However if you found something big enough to cover the node...

[Androgeos Exeunt]

That too...my concern with just a large block of stuff is that it would get pushed out of the way, or the wormhole would open somewhere around it.

However if you found something big enough to cover the node...

Hoo hoo hoo...I think I see some reference to Just Another Day there. 

The only few things big enough to cover the whole node are the Colossus and Sathanas.

[Killer Whale]

Or a large asteroid.


Edit: Some get really big, getting it there, and getting it out of the way if allied ships are coming through would be a problem though, well, so would many of the other booby traps too.

In relation to the origianal question. I think the collie is a complete and utter... a slight success. It can take on multiple destroyers very well, it even did most of the work in taking out a sath (but alpha 1 made it do it without getting a day of damage, but stupid command had to make the reactors overload!!), it could take on lucy's coming as fast as possible out of a node and has "More firepower than 5 orion class destroyers combined" (apparently) and has twice the htps. When it looked down the barrel of a sath the captain could of thought, oh yeh, bring it on, i've already taken on one of yous and it was easy (thanks to alpha 1), i've already taken out your ravana, lets see how much of a fight you can put up!! A terrible underestimation. It was taken out in seconds. it was a success at what it was designed to do at the time of building, the GTVA could never of guessed a warship bigger than it and so much more powerfull could have existed. As far as they knew, demons and lucifers were the bigbomberuchies (pronounced big-bomb-ber-uchie), if they had thought the shivans would come in greater force they would of been correct, and to all they knew the collie could handle that as well, but an enemy could be infinite in power if you try to plan bigger, the enemy will always be more powerfull than you if you think about it, you'll never get a warship that can take of an infitey powered warship, never!! So they had to guess at what the shivans could come up with, sadly, they were a bit more powerfull then their estimation, and come on, the juggernaut armada was hundreds of times more powerfull then the lucy fleet. How do you plan for that, the collie could take on something say, ten times more powerfull with the help of alpha 1, but you have to draw the line somewhere.

A small highly powered corvette/destroyer (like a frigate) would be the ideal option, but if you get bigger, you need to get a few, lets hope the terrans have learned not to put all their eggs in one basket, put them in a couple. Sobeks are great, they can handle decent punishment, and can give out fantastically for their size, a terran version of that, perhaps a corvette or frigate centered around a LRBGreen or BFGreen with moderate to low Flak and aaa cannons and what's left could be put into armour (no fighterbay) would be a good anti juggernaut warship, cheaper than a collie and many times smaller you could make several of them and be able to take out a jugg more efectively than a collie. Make other ships that carry the fighter support, like a non moving carrier with severely limited anti-warship weapons but good flak/AAA coverage and bigbarbybanger (pronounced, big-barby-banger) fighterbay could be trhe fighter carrier. but if you invest everything into one big warship like the collosuss, the shivans will go

MMMMMmmmm. TSOUP

[Androgeos Exeunt]

Such an asteroid would be too massive to park inside the node.

[TrashMan]

Nah..you just need a lot of engines.

Might be cheaper than paying for all the ship in the blockade.

[FreeSpaceFreak]

Let's make one thing clear: the BFGreen and the LRBGreen are NOT standard beams. They're features.
I think that anti-capship warfare would have to be centered around 3 'pillars':

- Bombers with beams (like the Armageddon, but with a small beam mounted on it).
- Cruisers with 1 BGreen (a GTVA version of the Lilith, though not that strong and therefor cheaper).
- Frigates with 3 BGreens, able to concentrate firepower in at least one spot (the front), like the Iceni.

With these three, and a smarter version of Command, we should be able to give any future Shivan threat a beating, no matter how big it is.
Oh yeah, fighters and fighter-bombers would be stationed on carriers like the Hecate, and that would be the largest ship class in the fleet. Don't take any risks with those eggs anymore

[Woolie Wool]

So, with the massive failure that the supercapital ship the Colossus turned out to be.. do you think that the GTVA would design a new class of supercapital learning from the strengths of the Sathanis or do you think they would shift toward greater firepower in a smaller package.


Personally I think that tacticians would learn not to put all their eggs in one basket and R&D would shift toward making more efficient and higher powered beam cannons, or other powerful weaponry, that could be mounted on a greater number of smaller ships (Corvette or Destroyer class) that could out maneuver the primary field of fire of a supercapital and strike at the weaknesses in it's defense.

For example - the Colossus was extremely powerful in broadside, whereas the broadside firepower of the Sath is about equivalent to that of a Demon.  Whereas we all know anything in front of a Sath is toast.


(Also of note: the BIG ASS turret on the front of the Big C that was obviously supposed to be a terrain super-beam that instead they put this tiny ass blob weapon into.. WTF)

I don't really think the Colossus was a failure. Attacking a ship like the Sathanas was something it was never designed to do. The Colossus was built to kill Lucifer-class destroyers, and indeed, it is very good at killing destroyers.

[Fencer]

E. E. "Doc" Smith used this idea in his Lensman novels...  not only planets, but also planetary-sized masses of anitmatter.

[WMCoolmon]

E. E. "Doc" Smith used this idea in his Lensman novels...  not only planets, but also planetary-sized masses of anitmatter.

Ooh, raw antimatter mines. There's nothing like turning part of the enemy vessel into part of the explosion

[Androgeos Exeunt]

Or you could send them atomic candies made out of antimatter.

[Killer Whale]

No-one seems to of replied to my post yet.  

[TrashMan]

Speaking of which, I started to make a HTL Collie based on the [V] sketches, but God only knows when that will be complete...my worklist is rather long and cluttered:
CLICKY

[Androgeos Exeunt]

Speaking of which, I started to make a HTL Collie based on the [V] sketches, but God only knows when that will be complete...my worklist is rather long and cluttered:
CLICKY

Like I've said a thousand times before in other posts, take your time; we can wait.

[Snail]

Speaking of which, I started to make a HTL Collie based on the [V] sketches, but God only knows when that will be complete...my worklist is rather long and cluttered:
CLICKY

I've got one thing to say. Keep the center... Well... Off center, because if it's changed it will mess up the missions and other campaigns that use it.