[Kazan]

So, with the massive failure that the supercapital ship the Colossus turned out to be.. do you think that the GTVA would design a new class of supercapital learning from the strengths of the Sathanis or do you think they would shift toward greater firepower in a smaller package.


Personally I think that tacticians would learn not to put all their eggs in one basket and R&D would shift toward making more efficient and higher powered beam cannons, or other powerful weaponry, that could be mounted on a greater number of smaller ships (Corvette or Destroyer class) that could out maneuver the primary field of fire of a supercapital and strike at the weaknesses in it's defense.

For example - the Colossus was extremely powerful in broadside, whereas the broadside firepower of the Sath is about equivalent to that of a Demon.  Whereas we all know anything in front of a Sath is toast.


(Also of note: the BIG ASS turret on the front of the Big C that was obviously supposed to be a terrain super-beam that instead they put this tiny ass blob weapon into.. WTF)

[Hades]

So, with the massive failure that the supercapital ship the Colossus turned out to be.. do you think that the GTVA would design a new class of supercapital learning from the strengths of the Sathanis or do you think they would shift toward greater firepower in a smaller package.


Personally I think that tacticians would learn not to put all their eggs in one basket and R&D would shift toward making more efficient and higher powered beam cannons, or other powerful weaponry, that could be mounted on a greater number of smaller ships (Corvette or Destroyer class) that could out maneuver the primary field of fire of a supercapital and strike at the weaknesses in it's defense.

For example - the Colossus was extremely powerful in broadside, whereas the broadside firepower of the Sath is about equivalent to that of a Demon.  Whereas we all know anything in front of a Sath is toast.


(Also of note: the BIG ASS turret on the front of the Big C that was obviously supposed to be a terrain super-beam that instead they put this tiny ass blob weapon into.. WTF)

And the Colossus doesn't have all of its turrets either.
What I would do is make a High-poly Colossus with the right amount of guns and have super beam cannons that outmatch the Sathanas.

[Kazan]

so you would think they would opt toward the better-designed supercapital

[Polpolion]

I think they'd develop a small, efficient beam almost as powerful as a BFred, put it on a corvette, along with a healthy dose of AAA beams, flak, and a trebuchet-esque missile.

Maybe an armament of:
1x Newgreen beam
6x AAAfs
8x standard flak
4x trebuchet launchers
90k hitpoints
20 to 30 m/s speed.

Maybe a small fighterbay.

Yeah, this'd be more like a frigate. Not quite as expensive as a destroyer, quicker to produce, and fit for a wider range of roles.

[IceFire]

Golgotha...destroyer sized and optimized for forward (and variable) firepower with limited fighterbay and modest broadside capabilities.  Thats my take.

[Hades]

Golgotha...destroyer sized and optimized for forward (and variable) firepower with limited fighterbay and modest broadside capabilities.  Thats my take.

Figures since your the BWO Admin.

[Kazan]

Golgotha...destroyer sized and optimized for forward (and variable) firepower with limited fighterbay and modest broadside capabilities.  Thats my take.

that ship doesn't exist yet since you haven't released

[Agent_Koopa]

This topic has been made before, and other people have made the point that I will now make: The Colossus was a failure at battling Sathanas juggernauts. It was not designed to battle Sathanas juggernauts. It was designed to take down a Lucifer, something it could do easily with its beam cannons. It destroyed numerous NTF warships. It nearly won the civil war, and destroyed a Sathanas mostly on its own.

[Polpolion]

Actually what I think Kazan is asking is "Where do you think the GTVA will go next in ship designing?".

[Kazan]

Actually what I think Kazan is asking is "Where do you think the GTVA will go next in ship designing?".

 

[Darius]

I'm of the opinion that anything above destroyer configuration would mostly be symbolic. In times of peace, its duties would be ceremonial; in war, it would be effective as a morale booster, even if not tactically viable.

[FUBAR-BDHR]

Remember one thing.  There is nothing to say that the Sathanas is the big boy in the Shivan fleet.  I recall talking to a V admin in the PXO lobby one day back in the days when they were tossing around ideas for (insert forbidden 3 characters here).  The only thing he said about it when asked about Shivan planet killers was think bigger.

[General Battuta]

They mentioned ships so large they affected the battlefield like a planetary body, right? That bespeaks vessels so huge it seems unlikely the GTVA could produce them.

Probably Shivan, then.

[Black Wolf]

I'm of the opinion that anything above destroyer configuration would mostly be symbolic. In times of peace, its duties would be ceremonial; in war, it would be effective as a morale booster, even if not tactically viable.

Like the Hindenberg was for the Nazis. Still, I think ceremony would have to come second when there's as clear and present danger. Personally, I see cruisers dying replaced by gunships, Corvettes powering along, destroyers splitting into carrier dominated and combat dominated (with the Hecate being the Carrier - the Orion replacement would be combat dominated) and some kind of new monitor type ships for taking out Saths. That plus RBCs becoming the tactical gods of the next few decades.

[Prophet]

Actually... Seeing as the only thing GTVA had edge in was fighters. Granted, they had Alpha 1. But still, if you read between the lines, GTVA pilots managed great against a numerically superior enemy.

I think bombers and smaller-than-cruiser-gunships will be tomorrows powerword. Cruiser might evolve in to agile antifighter platforms that can quickly get away from big guns. And quickly shift to block attacking bomber formations. Corvettes are the designated anticap slash multitask platform. And destroyers focus on breeding fighters ad infinitum.

Depending on how history plays out. They might have need for fighter carrying heavy hitter. For spearheading invasions and such.


However. If someone finds a way to shield capital ships... It may become apparent that fighters and bombers aren't enough. Then they'd need something to bring ****load of firepower in a short amount of time. But I won't go there since I find the idea repulsive. Like shields in general.

[Ace]

Golgotha...destroyer sized and optimized for forward (and variable) firepower with limited fighterbay and modest broadside capabilities.  Thats my take.

*IceFire is dragged away by Section Three Agents*

Admiral Kepler wishes to assure everyone that there are no 'black projects' being developed by the Alliance. Transparency is important to the GTVI.

Anyway:
One of the things Volition was talking about was "capships so big they act like the surface of a planet." If anything the Sathanas is their version of a Faustus

[ShadowGorrath]

GTVA ships are fine the way they are . Kinda . They just need more powerfull reactors and something that would make their beam cannons work at a much longer range . And probably some "artillery" ships , that can fire from an extremely long range , not having to worry of the enemy reaching them in time .

However bombers are much better than capitals . Except for the fact that you'd loose a lot of them in every deployment and that they cost a lot , they can take out any capital ship .

[castor]

I guess Shivans aren't too selective on their targets.. Maybe GTVA should produce a fleet of big dummy ships consisting mainly from solid rock, to give Sath cannons something to pound away

[TrashMan]

I guess Shivans aren't too selective on their targets.. Maybe GTVA should produce a fleet of big dummy ships consisting mainly from solid rock, to give Sath cannons something to pound away

QFT!

and while the Sathanases pound at teh big "dangerous" targets, the small ones chip away!

[BlackDove]

The solid rock targets need jump drives.