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Offline Spoon

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Re: A celebration of Freespace

in b4 "that's not realistic, there is no dust in space!"
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Offline MatthTheGeek

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Re: A celebration of Freespace
Obligatory "f*uck realism".
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Offline Commander Zane

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Re: A celebration of Freespace
I don't care what it is or isn't, other than it looking awesome.

 

Offline Kolgena

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Re: A celebration of Freespace
Looks great.

Too bad the effect fades with camera angle. Makes it somewhat uglier in motion.

 

Offline NeonShivan

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Re: A celebration of Freespace
in b4 "that's not realistic, there is no dust in space!"

lies, nebulas are dust <3
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Re: A celebration of Freespace
Not to mention you would expect some dust in a roid field that dense
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Offline Herra Tohtori

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Re: A celebration of Freespace
Actually!

Nebulas are typically gaseous and have very very low density (they only appear "dense" in comparison to empty space because they are ginormous and often not only reflective, but emissive), but there is absolutely no reason why there couldn't be dust in space. There are several examples of that happening; Saturn's rings would be a perfect example. The gas jets expelling matter from comets certainly have a lot of dust in them as well as the comet basically disintegrates in the solar heat.

Asteroids are a tougher dust source to imagine. However, if an asteroid gets hits by another one it'll definitely puff up a cloud of particles with variable grain size. It's easily conceivable that an asteroid hit by another could develop a dust cloud orbiting it. If the velocity of the particles in the cloud doesn't exceed the escape velocity of the asteroid, the dust cloud will just keep orbiting. Dust can also originate from human activity in the vicinity. Ice debris from coolant leaks or waste dumps could stick around an asteroid large enough. If spacesuits or small utility tugs use pressurezed gas jets for maneuvering rather than more high-powered hypergolic thrusters with a lot more ejection velocity, that gas could potentially stick around the asteroid for a while. Or - if there's mining activity at the asteroid, explosives and other such efforts will definitely produce dust. Seismic shocks could potentially throw regolith dust upward from the surface of the entire asteroid!

The speeds of the particles would thus be very low, and the collisions of particles could either result in particles bouncing off from each other, or clumping together to form larger particles - that would depend on the composition of the particles. Ferromagnetic particles would probably clump together by magnetic field alignment alone. Don't know how rock dust (silicate or some other) would behave. A mix of rock and water ice particles would probably be the most interesting, as you might get some small amount of static electricity in the dust cloud.

Regardless, this type of dust clouds would be very short term indeed in most cases, especially in the inner solar system. The solar wind will push such dust away relatively fast. However, further in the solar system, such dust and gas clouds can last for a long time and grow to quite formidable sizes. This type of dust/gas atmosphere is called a coma, and it should be no surprise that this is how comets have gained their moniker. Comets can in fact have huge comas while they are approaching the Sun. At the distance of Mars orbit (1.5 AU or so) the solar wind starts to really stretch it and form a tail, and by doing this also reduces the diameter of the coma.

But yeah, up there in outer solar system, things can have a fairly static and large coma as long as there's some activity to replenish the small amount lost to solar wind. Dust is less sensitive to solar wind than gas is, but it will eventually waste away when exposed to the solar wind. However, the asteroids might also actually be moons of a gas giant, in which case their dust halo would be protected by the magnetic field of the larger planet.

As far as the scale of things goes: The Great Comet of 1882 initially had a coma that was roughly the size of Sun.

Whether or not the dust from such natural events would be dense enough to form crepuscular lighting effects is a different matter but for the sake of art I'm willing to ignore that and just say that there was some event that caused the dust cloud to be dense enough, because it's plausible enough and that image is gorgeous. :p
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Re: A celebration of Freespace
*Applauds*
Well done sir
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Offline NeonShivan

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Re: A celebration of Freespace
Actually!

Nebulas are typically gaseous and have very very low density (they only appear "dense" in comparison to empty space because they are ginormous and often not only reflective, but emissive), but there is absolutely no reason why there couldn't be dust in space. There are several examples of that happening; Saturn's rings would be a perfect example. The gas jets expelling matter from comets certainly have a lot of dust in them as well as the comet basically disintegrates in the solar heat.

Asteroids are a tougher dust source to imagine. However, if an asteroid gets hits by another one it'll definitely puff up a cloud of particles with variable grain size. It's easily conceivable that an asteroid hit by another could develop a dust cloud orbiting it. If the velocity of the particles in the cloud doesn't exceed the escape velocity of the asteroid, the dust cloud will just keep orbiting. Dust can also originate from human activity in the vicinity. Ice debris from coolant leaks or waste dumps could stick around an asteroid large enough. If spacesuits or small utility tugs use pressurezed gas jets for maneuvering rather than more high-powered hypergolic thrusters with a lot more ejection velocity, that gas could potentially stick around the asteroid for a while. Or - if there's mining activity at the asteroid, explosives and other such efforts will definitely produce dust. Seismic shocks could potentially throw regolith dust upward from the surface of the entire asteroid!

The speeds of the particles would thus be very low, and the collisions of particles could either result in particles bouncing off from each other, or clumping together to form larger particles - that would depend on the composition of the particles. Ferromagnetic particles would probably clump together by magnetic field alignment alone. Don't know how rock dust (silicate or some other) would behave. A mix of rock and water ice particles would probably be the most interesting, as you might get some small amount of static electricity in the dust cloud.

Regardless, this type of dust clouds would be very short term indeed in most cases, especially in the inner solar system. The solar wind will push such dust away relatively fast. However, further in the solar system, such dust and gas clouds can last for a long time and grow to quite formidable sizes. This type of dust/gas atmosphere is called a coma, and it should be no surprise that this is how comets have gained their moniker. Comets can in fact have huge comas while they are approaching the Sun. At the distance of Mars orbit (1.5 AU or so) the solar wind starts to really stretch it and form a tail, and by doing this also reduces the diameter of the coma.

But yeah, up there in outer solar system, things can have a fairly static and large coma as long as there's some activity to replenish the small amount lost to solar wind. Dust is less sensitive to solar wind than gas is, but it will eventually waste away when exposed to the solar wind. However, the asteroids might also actually be moons of a gas giant, in which case their dust halo would be protected by the magnetic field of the larger planet.

As far as the scale of things goes: The Great Comet of 1882 initially had a coma that was roughly the size of Sun.

Whether or not the dust from such natural events would be dense enough to form crepuscular lighting effects is a different matter but for the sake of art I'm willing to ignore that and just say that there was some event that caused the dust cloud to be dense enough, because it's plausible enough and that image is gorgeous. :p

Mkay, right...well then, the only logical reason there'd be dust in space is a asteroid belt being mined to death: Exhibit A: Gehenna from Homeworld 2
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Offline Androgeos Exeunt

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Re: A celebration of Freespace

in b4 "that's not realistic, there is no dust in space!"

Actually, I thought that would make a nice supernova.
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Offline Herra Tohtori

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Re: A celebration of Freespace
Addendum: While most nebulas are gaseous, there are also dust coulds. Those appear typically as dark nebulas that obscure the stuff behind them.

However, nebular dust creating crepuscular lighting effects has another problem: The dust clouds appear in the densest, coldest regions of nebulas, and a star igniting or traversing nearby would both heat the nebula, dispersing the dense dust nebula, as well as exert solar wind pressure on it. So a presence of a local light source could be hard to establish.
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Offline AndrewofDoom

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Re: A celebration of Freespace
Space dust, god rays, and bugs aside it's time to solve a mystery



What heinous acts is Andrew up to now!?!
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20:08:19   AndrewofDoom: Though I find it mildly disturbing that a loli is giggling to mass destruction.
20:10:01   Spoon: I find it mildly arrousing
20:10:07   AndrewofDoom: Woah
20:10:15   Spoon: sound like my kind of loli
20:10:21   Spoon: and im not even a lolicon

 

Offline NeonShivan

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Re: A celebration of Freespace


A colony in Sirius containing about half a million souls and is in orbit around a massive orange tinted gas giant.
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Offline Kolgena

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Re: A celebration of Freespace
I don't like how the source(s) of light for the gas giant and the moon are different >.>

(Then again, most skyboxes in freespace have planets/moons/whatever lit in impossible ways)

 

Offline NeonShivan

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Re: A celebration of Freespace
I don't like how the source(s) of light for the gas giant and the moon are different >.>

(Then again, most skyboxes in freespace have planets/moons/whatever lit in impossible ways)

I'll agree, the lighting isn't all that great but eh at the time I thought it look alright.
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Offline Kolgena

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Re: A celebration of Freespace
It's not your fault really. Short of manually painting shadows into the planet bitmaps with photoshop or something, there isn't anything you can really do.

Otherwise, it looks pretty cool.

 

Offline Sushi

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Re: A celebration of Freespace
(Then again, most skyboxes in freespace have planets/moons/whatever lit in impossible ways)

Bothers me EVERY TIME.

 

Offline AndrewofDoom

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Re: A celebration of Freespace
Okay let's try this again...



My Efforts:
SF Knight

20:08:19   AndrewofDoom: Though I find it mildly disturbing that a loli is giggling to mass destruction.
20:10:01   Spoon: I find it mildly arrousing
20:10:07   AndrewofDoom: Woah
20:10:15   Spoon: sound like my kind of loli
20:10:21   Spoon: and im not even a lolicon

  

Offline Nyctaeus

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Re: A celebration of Freespace
VLS launchers? Looks nice. Is this from any specified mod?

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Offline NeonShivan

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Re: A celebration of Freespace
looken good but those don't like VLS </3
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