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Offline TrashMan

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BETA RELEASE: Colossuss Mk2
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WHAT IT HAS:
64 laser turrets
12 beam cannons
10 (double) missile launchers

6 engines
2 fighterbays
4 docks

fully pathed


WHAT IT DOESN'T HAVE YET:
- debris
- other lods
- glow points
- a nameplate


Speaking of which - anyone willing to add glow points to it?
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Re: BETA RELEASE: Colossuss Mk2
And I thought my jokes were bad...

25 textures? Honestly?

 

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Re: BETA RELEASE: Colossuss Mk2
Ugh...there are 4 unnecesary textures...duplicates, but different name and 2 textures that I can remove and replace with one of the existing ones, but I missed it.

With tweaks, I can get it to 17-18.

Good catch. Keep the feedback coming.
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Re: BETA RELEASE: Colossuss Mk2
Hmm, the model itself is good, but the texturing (besides being horribly inefficient) doesn't do the model justice. Proper UV-mapping and less texture tiling could do wonders for it.

While I'm impressed at how complex models you crunch out with Truespace... the greeblies on this model show how TS is limiting creative modeling. Especially on the engine section the greeblies are just a seemingly random group of boxes, with no "functional" feel to it. The things with the boxes and pipes are a notable exception, but it's basically 13 times the same thing.

Also, EVERYTHING that's not a separate subsystem/turret should be part of the main mesh! You've got dozens of nameless subobjects just for greeblies... each subobject needs a separate render pass, making this POF horribly inefficient for no apparent reason.
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Re: BETA RELEASE: Colossuss Mk2
To be honest, I really wasn't feeling inspired when it came to greeble. It's not TS.
Greeble normally doesn't make much sense and usually feels off to me.

As far as texturing goes, that thing is 6 km long. I really don't see it as possible to texture this thing without some hefty tiling - at least not with the texture I have. Panneling the size of a carrier doesn't give hte feeling of size, regarldess ofh te small windows.

As far as subobjects go - I always start working like that so LODs are easier to make once the mesh details are finalized.
For the final release I do plan on merging all the subobjects into just 3 main groups
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Re: BETA RELEASE: Colossuss Mk2



This is a beta of your MK2 Colly?


I like that model. But if it's undergoing beta i'll wait for the finished product. To do it justice, ya know?
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Re: BETA RELEASE: Colossuss Mk2
Take a look at it and tell Trashman what to improve (it's not the beta like in campaigns, as it will work well, but your feedback may make it work better).
So far: It has too many textures to be FPS effective (fortunately for most of the time there will be only one) and for some reason uses a few retail textures.
Also, a lot of required textures are not included in the pack (they're all in FOW: COTS though).

 

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Re: BETA RELEASE: Colossuss Mk2
Learn how to UV map, Trashman, because tile mapping looks awful. Not only will the game run faster, the ship will look much better.
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Re: BETA RELEASE: Colossuss Mk2
You can tile even if you use a UV map - just tile a section of it - it saves texture count while preserving detail on larger ships.
For example, you could probably combine the tiled textures you use for a lot of the turrets/greebles/engines onto a single map. Something of a fusion like the retail Typhon would be better than having 20+ textures.
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Re: BETA RELEASE: Colossuss Mk2
You can tile even if you use a UV map - just tile a section of it - it saves texture count while preserving detail on larger ships.
For example, you could probably combine the tiled textures you use for a lot of the turrets/greebles/engines onto a single map. Something of a fusion like the retail Typhon would be better than having 20+ textures.
Yeah, that's very true. It's similar to how the new Iceni was done, if I remember correctly.
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Re: BETA RELEASE: Colossuss Mk2
Just be careful of what shaders you use.  Some don't like it when you go beyond (0,0)-(1,1).
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Re: BETA RELEASE: Colossuss Mk2
So far: It has too many textures to be FPS effective (fortunately for most of the time there will be only one) and for some reason uses a few retail textures.
Also, a lot of required textures are not included in the pack (they're all in FOW: COTS though).

Frak...double entries.
2 minutes in PCS2 and I could reduce the texture count

The "light" texture is that black strip with yellow windows - the same light used on the Deimos and Hecate...tcovsomething

awactile1, 2 and 3 can all be replaced with raytile3 (methinks)

ThrusterCone is supurflus, as I planned to map the engine core with the same texture the rest of the engine uses (WYellow), but it slipped my mind.

I'd fix it ASAP, but I won't be home till the weekend again.


Yup..there's lot's of place for improvements here.
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Re: BETA RELEASE: Colossuss Mk2
Isn't it possible to turn multiple tilemaps into a single UV map via using a certain script in Blender?

 

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Re: BETA RELEASE: Colossuss Mk2
Really? Too bad I don't use blender...

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Re: BETA RELEASE: Colossuss Mk2
Yes it's possible via texture baking in most programs, but in general.....don't.
You combine the worst of both worlds - the hideousness of tile mapping with the high memory usage of a UV map. You can then put AO onto it, but IMO that alone does not save it. ;)

The overall massive quality boost you can get out of UV mapping I reckon makes it well worth using over tiling, but at the same time it does mean you need to spend a much much larger amount of time on the textures, and that time spent goes up drastically with the UV map size, which goes up drastically with ship scale.

Sometimes you can get away with hybrid approaches as has been suggested, but those can be exceedingly difficult, and more often than not the overall result isn't spectacular. You sorta have to design the model for it I reckon.
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Re: BETA RELEASE: Colossuss Mk2
Technicly, it is a hybrid currenlty.

Some bigger, boxier parts use simple, box mapping, while others use planar or curve mapping, with different map settings.


I'll see if I can spice the greeble a bit more...but visual help might help ya know...like they do it on the Infinity forums - paintovers over the renders/images.


EDIT: On a related note - destroyed subsystems? Yes or no?
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Yes, please.

 

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Planar or curve mapping isn't the same as unwrapping to form a UV map - that's still texture tiling. An example of hybrid would be the retail lucifer - which used a big UV map for lots of it, and tiled textures for the rest.

Visual help you mean like greeble inspiration pictures and stuff? Suggestions drawn onto those previous untextured renders?
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Re: BETA RELEASE: Colossuss Mk2
It works the same in the end - specifc poligons applied to very mall portions of a texture. Or should I say vice-versa? Planar mapping I mean.

Unwraping is a more precise and direct approach. Certanly far better for complex maps and smaller ships.

If I have a texture that has griders for he hull, barrels for the turrets and fences and pipes for some greeble? I can use planar mapping to get the same result as unwrapping.

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Unwraping is a more precise and direct approach. Certanly far better for complex maps and smaller ships.
You mean for bigger ships right?
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