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Offline KyadCK

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Re: Registry cleaning (split from Has anyone tried BP with the new FSOpen?)
You all would hate Linux with a passion then.
Na, I disable UAC because for what I do it gets in the way, however, for the standard user it does provide a good enough warning along the lines of 'are you sure you want to touch that?' which makes at least some people think twice.

If in his first post, he did not end with "And people are certainly dumb to reject my advice on this matter." I would have left it alone.
It's standard user account not as you say now "standard user". I've only been talking about running UAC in a standard user account for a while now. I was in no way talking about running UAC in an admin account like you are. You're actually talking about something different than i am.

And you didn't need to react like you did to my rejecting advice comment like that. It's been nothing but twisting details and arguments for you the whole time. You're a troll.

Well, 1: "standard user" would be a person. If you had read, I have no problems giving a "standard user" a "standard user account" and leaving UAC on.

2: My stance is: To someone who knows better, UAC is useless on both sides (user and admin)

3: I am referring to UAC in general. Congratulations on assuming otherwise.

4: There was no "in my opinion", there was no "i think that". There was simply "I am better then all of you because I use standard user accounts and UAC and you're all dumb for not doing it".

5: You still have not told me what must be run on an admin account that users do not need to follow the 'less is more' theme. Seriously, I want to know.

6: Linux is great. Too bad you need root to do all the modifications you wa... wait... I have a Root Terminal for when I am making a huge amount of changes. Huh. Well, I guess it wont be such a pain to install those libs dependencies and compile the source huh.

6b: Needing root is the exact same concept as UAC: to stop people who don't know better from breaking something.

6c: In Linux, being a server/client OS (kinda like domains for windows) the admin is the one with the root password. This is because in theory, the admin is not an idiot and can fix what he or she breaks, and it forces all the normal users to ask the admin if they can install something. This would kinda be why when you first try to use sudo, Linux says stuff about the usual lecture from your admin.
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You all would hate linux with a passion then.

thats exactly why i dont like linux. fortunately for me, there is an alternative on the horizon.
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Re: Registry cleaning (split from Has anyone tried BP with the new FSOpen?)
You all would hate linux with a passion then.

thats exactly why i dont like linux. fortunately for me, there is an alternative on the horizon.

I too am looking forward to ReactOS, and with Win8 on the way it can't get here soon enough.
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Well, 1: "standard user" would be a person. If you had read, I have no problems giving a "standard user" a "standard user account" and leaving UAC on.
Earlier you referred to users as just users. Quit twisting stuff around.
2: My stance is: To someone who knows better, UAC is useless on both sides (user and admin)
My stance is that UAC is very handy being able to grab admin rights from within a resrticted permissions user account. That user account being standard user.
3: I am referring to UAC in general. Congratulations on assuming otherwise.
I was referring to UAC in one specific usage from the beginning. In this one specific usage, it's quite useful. All you said was UAC sucks UAC sucks UAC sucks it's only for people who don't know what they're doing. And then you proceeded to assume way too much about me.
4: There was no "in my opinion", there was no "i think that". There was simply "I am better then all of you because I use standard user accounts and UAC and you're all dumb for not doing it".
You chose to be pissed off by my rhetorical statement by reading too much into it. All it meant was that it was dumb to just reject the advice.
5: You still have not told me what must be run on an admin account that users do not need to follow the 'less is more' theme. Seriously, I want to know.
It was actually do more with less. It's a concept about efficiency. Figurative example is: As an admin going through which software is needed and what is not. Like disabling windows defender in favor of a real virus scanner that works. Getting rid of spyware cleaners if the virus scanner takes care of all forms of malware. Using a firewall and other software that compliments the abilities of the admin. The admin making sure that none of what he does gets in the way of the users, particularly what on the computer will impede the user. This means less for the admin to do, less complaints from users, and less use of special admin tools. It helps lead to a computer environment that keeps working and requires less up keep.

I wasn't saying don't use a virus scanner or firewall or other programs.
6: Linux is great. Too bad you need root to do all the modifications you wa... wait... I have a Root Terminal for when I am making a huge amount of changes. Huh. Well, I guess it wont be such a pain to install those libs dependencies and compile the source huh.

6b: Needing root is the exact same concept as UAC: to stop people who don't know better from breaking something.

6c: In Linux, being a server/client OS (kinda like domains for windows) the admin is the one with the root password. This is because in theory, the admin is not an idiot and can fix what he or she breaks, and it forces all the normal users to ask the admin if they can install something. This would kinda be why when you first try to use sudo, Linux says stuff about the usual lecture from your admin.
Use any terminal for root purposes by typing su. And terminal is great for making huge amounts of changes administratively. When not making huge amounts of changes the frontends to su being gksu and kdesu are valuable like UAC. For me it's the same concept as UAC in windows with a standard user account: to keep people who aren't supposed to be in the admin account out except those whare are authorized, and to keep a secure environment where things break less. It's not about me not knowing what i'm doing.

Yes, root is the equivalent of admin in linux. I was never disputing this. And i displayed knowing this when i said that you all would hate linux then. Again i don't care about your job. You're using it to take libery in assuming way too much about me with constant put downs. Your accuracy will be in question, because in reality, you have no idea if you're right about all or none of your unscrupulous claims about me.  It makes you a jackass trying to prove who has the bigger ball sack. I don't care if you have the bigger ball sack or not. You're negative attitude on users sucks because it assumes way too much that you don't always know which makes you a jackass. And i've been sitting in here finding out ever more about this aspect of you.
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-Too scared to do anything (i like these guys, they almost never need support)

-General knowledge of how to use a computer, but doesn't mess with anything

-Thinks they know what is or isn't safe (and acts on it, these are the most annoying, and the most common)

-Actually knows what isn't safe, does it anyway (2nd most annoying)

-Actually knows what isn't safe, doesn't do it

-Knows exactly what isn't safe, but does it anyway and gets away with it because they know how to fix it.

Do i run with the paranoid settings S-99 lists? Not really, I'm a domain admin. I'm in that last group. I can fix it. This is where the concept of:
People are dumb as long as we keep treating them like they're dumb. And people are certainly dumb to reject my advice on this matter.
Why would i want to include myself in a list written by a jackass who chose to be pissed off? So, i didn't, you did. The dumb statement i made after giving my advice in my first post in this thread was rhetorical. As advice goes, take it or leave it. Holy crap you are offensive.
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Re: Registry cleaning (split from Has anyone tried BP with the new FSOpen?)
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Earlier you referred to users as just users. Quit twisting stuff around.
User is a User is a User... You wanted to use a specific name for them by branding them 'standard' so I did the same.

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My stance is that UAC is very handy being able to grab admin rights from within a resrticted permissions user account. That user account being standard user.
Your stance is very good at making an admin's life difficult. Since the admin is going to aprove anything he or she does anyway, there is no point. You also specified that admins should run in standard user mode with UAC. This includes admins in your stance, and makes them relevant.

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I was referring to UAC in one specific usage from the beginning. In this one specific usage, it's quite useful. All you said was UAC sucks UAC sucks UAC sucks it's only for people who don't know what they're doing. And then you proceeded to assume way too much about me.

If you had read, I have no problems giving a "standard user" a "standard user account" and leaving UAC on.

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You chose to be pissed off by my rhetorical statement by reading too much into it. All it meant was that it was dumb to just reject the advice.

You chose to make the arrogant remark that your way is best and everyone who disagrees is stupid. No one has taken your side. By that extension, you have called everyone here stupid. You're suprised at the result?

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Running as admin 24/7 makes need for all of these specialty programs (ccleaner, spybot, windows defender, avast, avg, zonealarm, biglistitis). So, don't run as admin and you'll be making use of these programs a lot less and watch your computer work how you intended too. Increase productivity; let the computer work for you instead of you constantly working for it.
It was actually do more with less. It's a concept about efficiency. Figurative example is: As an admin going through which software is needed and what is not. Like disabling windows defender in favor of a real virus scanner that works. Getting rid of spyware cleaners if the virus scanner takes care of all forms of malware. Using a firewall and other software that compliments the abilities of the admin. The admin making sure that none of what he does gets in the way of the users, particularly what on the computer will impede the user. This means less for the admin to do, less complaints from users, and less use of special admin tools. It helps lead to a computer environment that keeps working and requires less up keep.

I wasn't saying don't use a virus scanner or firewall or other programs.

Ya... I'll let that one explain itself. You're going back on yourself and still haven't told me what you have to run by using admin over standard. In both cases it is only one anti-virus and firewall. Anything beyond that is choice, and is a convenience that said admin would use in standard mode anyway. No program works 'better' in standard mode, and you need (or use) just as many in standard mode. You're making up random crap at this point by even thinking standard magically uses less.

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You're using it to take libery in assuming way too much about me with constant put downs. Your accuracy will be in question, because in reality, you have no idea if you're right about all or none of your unscrupulous claims about me.

I have made one assumption about you. I placed you in a group that conforms to your beliefs as to how a computer should be run. You deviate from it slightly by trusting users more then most of that group, but you do fit it. In case you are wondering, which I doubt, it would be "-Actually knows what isn't safe, doesn't do it". You simply do not take enough risk like myself or Nuke to fit in that final group. Perhaps you think this group makes you less of a capable tech and therefore took it as an insult? I don't know, but I also really don't care.

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Why would i want to include myself in a list written by a jackass

Because the list, as any real tech will tell you, is true, and the only way to not fit in it is to never touch a computer. The list applies to everything, not just computers. For example, in the world of automotive, I would be in that second group.

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The dumb statement i made after giving my advice in my first post in this thread...

I'm glad you agree.

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...was rhetorical.

Bull****.

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Holy crap you are offensive.

I don't recall calling you any names, but you seem to think its just fine to do so. I'm the offencive one?






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Re: Registry cleaning (split from Has anyone tried BP with the new FSOpen?)
Okay, enough with the back-and-forth personal attacks.  Either debate the points or take it elsewhere.

 
Re: Registry cleaning (split from Has anyone tried BP with the new FSOpen?)
One thing I missed in this discussion:
When you are logged in as an admin in Windows 7 - You also get the UAC prompt in case nasty stuff happens. You do not need to enter the password, but there still is 'Yes No' if you, or a program, wants to do stuff that require admin rights.
How is 'Standard User Mode' better for your PC security, except that it requires to enter your password all the time?

 

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Re: Registry cleaning (split from Has anyone tried BP with the new FSOpen?)
How is 'Standard User Mode' better for your PC security, except that it requires to enter your password all the time?
Standard user accounts have a reduced system permissions set compared to administrator accounts.
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Re: Registry cleaning (split from Has anyone tried BP with the new FSOpen?)
Guess what? With UAC enabled, Administrators do too. It's exactly the same as running a Linux system, with stuff you can do freely, and other, more dangerous stuff you need to use sudo for.
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Re: Registry cleaning (split from Has anyone tried BP with the new FSOpen?)
One thing I missed in this discussion:
When you are logged in as an admin in Windows 7 - You also get the UAC prompt in case nasty stuff happens. You do not need to enter the password, but there still is 'Yes No' if you, or a program, wants to do stuff that require admin rights.
How is 'Standard User Mode' better for your PC security, except that it requires to enter your password all the time?

A standard user isn't allowed to mess with other user accounts (desktop, my documents, stuff like that). Otherwise the only difference is you have to type out a password, and UAC off in standard mode does not mean you get to do everything as an admin.

As The E said, an admin with UAC on isn't a 'full' admin account, they still catch the prompts for anything that needs them, including 90% of the things you would use an admin account for in the first place.

Guess what? With UAC enabled, Administrators do too. It's exactly the same as running a Linux system, with stuff you can do freely, and other, more dangerous stuff you need to use sudo for.

Well ya, where did MS get the idea from?  :p   Sure, MS sets the standards, but whose standards are they half the time?
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Re: Registry cleaning (split from Has anyone tried BP with the new FSOpen?)
The simple fact I've learned about any OS maintenance is that any 'optimal' system will have snags, it's best to keep a healthy habit of multiple back-ups and for the technically savvy, a reinstall after a few years doesn't hurt.

There are plenty of days where I'm punching my fstab file or kicking xorg in the balls (I use Linux Mint Debian Edition), but I find a simple reintstall is better than trying to spend hours pouring over google results so I can find a series of commands to restore a borked script or repair a driver gone nuts.

For the paranoid, wipe wipe wipe or shotgun slugs. Or, take the computer and throw it into Vesuvius, liquified rock will clean that registry pronto.
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Re: Registry cleaning (split from Has anyone tried BP with the new FSOpen?)
Guess what? With UAC enabled, Administrators do too. It's exactly the same as running a Linux system, with stuff you can do freely, and other, more dangerous stuff you need to use sudo for.
I see what you're getting at. They made it pretty darn similar when running as admin with UAC. The difference is in needing to type a password versus clicking yes or no.

I disagree. That difference does not make it the same. If you're going to run as admin, you might as well turn off UAC.
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Re: Registry cleaning (split from Has anyone tried BP with the new FSOpen?)
For the paranoid, wipe wipe wipe or shotgun slugs. Or, take the computer and throw it into Vesuvius, liquified rock will clean that registry pronto.

No, nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be  :warp: [cliche averted by maintenance team]
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