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Offline est1895

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Suggestions for New Monitor
Hi I'm looking for a new monitor for my brother.  I found this one on Newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009642

It's an Acer monitor and I was wondering if anyone else has it or owns an Acer Monitor, and please give me some feedback.

Normally I buy Asus monitors, but this one seems to out perform and is better on reviews than any of the other Asus monitors.

 
Re: Suggestions for New Monitor
Acer is a very capable brand, esp. when it comes to price/performance.
I have not used this particular screen though.

 

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A few years ago I never heard anything but bad about Acer monitors, mostly related to poor lifetime and really washed out colors.  A lot can change in that time though.  That one looks pretty ridiculous on paper though.  I really wish my desk didn't prevent me from using a 24" monitor, because I can't find anything nearly that good in a smaller size.  I've got a hard limit of 21" total width.
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It would not "Outperform" anything. There are several rebrands of that same concept, including Asus who started the 144hz thing;

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007617%20600030958%20600416634%20600417886&IsNodeId=1&name=144%20Hz

Acer has a reputation for being "that cheap brand". However, being that the panel and controller are likely the same used in anything else, it comes down to warranty and extras. Vesa mount compatible, connector types, custimization optios (R/G/B control, brightness, contrast, etc), build quality, the strand's directions of movement, etc. Functionally the Acer shouls be no different than any of the others, it simply comes down to what other things you want.

The panel (not this specific monitor, but the things likely used to make it) has been extremely widely praised and is very popular among FPS players, it should not be a problem. Obviously keep in mind that if you're going to use a 144hz panel you should actually be able to power it. It would be a pointless monitor if all he has is a 5770 or something.
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Re: Suggestions for New Monitor
Acer typically makes great stuff that i find will last. On the other hand, i still have my 19 inch wide screen samsung monitor from 2007 i bough for $200 back in the day that is truly a champion. It survived being packed in luggage multiple times and i still use it. Get whatever lasts, and has a good redraw rate. Crt monitors don't have a redraw rate and display shades better. Not to mention, because of redraw rate, i can't tell a difference when i turn up the hertz on an lcd..
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I own the Asus VG248QE  (the ASUS competition to the monitor you are recommending) and I must say that it looks fantastic. However, you really need the hardware to push out the 120+ fps or its pointless.
I personally have a 7970 in my PC, which is more than sufficient for the games I play.

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Offline est1895

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Re: Suggestions for New Monitor
I do like the Asus VG248QE except for the (negative) Newegg.com reviews.  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236313

I do have a capable video card. An Asus 650Ti Boost 2gb, but the rest of the computer will need to be upgraded soon.

I have enclosed three of the major the culprits as pics that worry me.


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Offline KyadCK

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Re: Suggestions for New Monitor
Three reviews out of seven hundred and three. Seems legit. Combined with the fact people are more likely to post if it's to complain, I'm going to have to say majority rules here. The wireless disruption bit in particular makes no sense... This monitor is not wireless, and nothing in it should run at that frequency band. It isn't a CRT.

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Worth noting, I obviously do not know what games you play, but a 650Ti is not enough to power a 144hz 1080p screen at reasonable settings in most modern AAA games. Keep in mind that this is the same effective GPU power requirement as a 2560x1600 60hz screen, which is more 680/770/7970/280X territory.

FSO will be fine. HL2 will be fine. BF4 not so much.
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Offline deathfun

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I'd just stick with regular ol' 60hz. The best question to ask yourself is what the heck are you getting out of it with 144hz that's so fantastic over the 60hz? You can run games at a higher FPS sure, but that'll take away from the ability to delegate those resources elsewhere. That and, does it really add that much to your game?

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Offline KyadCK

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I'd just stick with regular ol' 60hz. The best question to ask yourself is what the heck are you getting out of it with 144hz that's so fantastic over the 60hz? You can run games at a higher FPS sure, but that'll take away from the ability to delegate those resources elsewhere. That and, does it really add that much to your game?

Right, see, this is the logic of someone who buys the $100 thing, says "it's fine", and never tries anything nice. I'm sorry if I'm misjudging, you may not be that way, but that's exactly the type of mentality. People who think that way miss out on quite a bit.

For a long time I had not used a high-refresh monitor because I saw no point. I considered IPS panels to be more worth my time. I still do. However the latest monitor I've added to my "have owned" list is a 120hz 1440p IPS panel (Tempest X270OC). I can say with first hand experiance that 120hz does make FPS type games feel smoother. It is easier to see during fast movement. I play a bit of CS:GO and it does actually feel a little easier to control.

In the grand scheme of things in the computer space, this is not an expensive investment. $240-280 sounds bad, but a monitor like this should be lasting the user for more than 6 years at minimum. It should out-live everything else in the computer except maybe the case. I do not think a 650Ti will do this monitor justice... But the monitor should also survive well after the GPU is upgraded. I know a lot of people who have gotten that series of monitor and not been disapointed.

We're not talking about a cheap monitor that has one redeeming feature here (*Cough*Catleap*Cough*). It is a quality monitor that has a major selling point around that feature. If I were to suggest anything other than this, it would be a G-Sync monitor since he has a Kepler nVidia card. Except, bonus feature of the monitor he linked, it's compatable with the G-Sync mod module should he decide to get one.

I think it is a fine investment, though depending on the rest of his computer I would suggest getting a stronger GPU as priority after the monitor.
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Offline Gortef

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Re: Suggestions for New Monitor
I can add to this that I've had the same cheap 22" 16:10 Acer monitor for at least 5 years now, and it still works like a charm. Granted it does not have great view angles for example or HD resolution or anything else fancy, but in a standard entertainment use (videos & gaming) it does its job. I could concider another Acer monitor when the need comes.
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Re: Suggestions for New Monitor
I'd just stick with regular ol' 60hz. The best question to ask yourself is what the heck are you getting out of it with 144hz that's so fantastic over the 60hz? You can run games at a higher FPS sure, but that'll take away from the ability to delegate those resources elsewhere. That and, does it really add that much to your game?
Highly agree here. I was a big fan of vertical sync, 75hz, a good video card, and a crt. Vertical sync opens up the resources of the card for other factors of graphics aside from just frame rate. More than just capping a frame rate, matching the frame rate to the refresh rate had very smooth video for video games, eliminated graphical tearing, and let the video card have more horsepower for the special affects and other bull****.

Why i hate gaming on an lcd. Vertical sync there is just used to cap a frame rate because of that evil nasty redraw rate/ghosting. You get no where near as smooth video game play on an lcd (but they use less power and take up so much less space, indeed that's what's great about having them). **** graphical tearing when it got replaced with ghosting :nod:

I'm not trying to convince you to go back to crt. What i'm saying is get something with a very minimal redraw rate. Another reasons i bought that samsung back in the day. That old monitor has 0.4 millisecond redraw rate (great for it's time), you don't hardly notice it just using normal programs, oh yeah, but you notice it when you play video games. At least the monitor displayed video games at 60 fps, but because of that redraw rate, it looked to me like 30; i no longer cared about frame rates from my games since frame rate didnt matter anymore. Lcd has yet to eclipse what was awesome about the former technology.
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Offline est1895

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Re: Suggestions for New Monitor
My brother is using a 17" crt right now, but it only has 1280x1080 resolution.  What should I get him then?

 

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Right, see, this is the logic of someone who buys the $100 thing, says "it's fine", and never tries anything nice. I'm sorry if I'm misjudging, you may not be that way, but that's exactly the type of mentality. People who think that way miss out on quite a bit.

Apologies, but I've seen 120hz before in a three monitor setup with Titanfall. *Finger twirl*
My experienced for gaming was made better with the three monitors, but the 120FPS wasn't exactly adding anything to it

I can understand why many gamers would aim to get as smooth as possible experience for themselves, but you're not missing out by sticking with more inexpensive monitors that'll last the same amount of time at 60hz/FPS



Get three monitors instead! Now *that's* an experience

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Re: Suggestions for New Monitor
Huh, so there's now IPS panels with 120Hz+ refresh rates? I am now using two BenQ XL2420T's. One's little older 120Hz and the other is newer 144Hz. I am by no means hardcore gamer who plays competitive multiplayer games (or even any multiplayer games much at all), I still find the smoothness of 120Hz+ very compelling and I wouldn't want to go back to 60Hz panels.

 

Offline KyadCK

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Re: Suggestions for New Monitor
I'd just stick with regular ol' 60hz. The best question to ask yourself is what the heck are you getting out of it with 144hz that's so fantastic over the 60hz? You can run games at a higher FPS sure, but that'll take away from the ability to delegate those resources elsewhere. That and, does it really add that much to your game?
Highly agree here. I was a big fan of vertical sync, 75hz, a good video card, and a crt. Vertical sync opens up the resources of the card for other factors of graphics aside from just frame rate. More than just capping a frame rate, matching the frame rate to the refresh rate had very smooth video for video games, eliminated graphical tearing, and let the video card have more horsepower for the special affects and other bull****.

Why i hate gaming on an lcd. Vertical sync there is just used to cap a frame rate because of that evil nasty redraw rate/ghosting. You get no where near as smooth video game play on an lcd (but they use less power and take up so much less space, indeed that's what's great about having them). **** graphical tearing when it got replaced with ghosting :nod:

I'm not trying to convince you to go back to crt. What i'm saying is get something with a very minimal redraw rate. Another reasons i bought that samsung back in the day. That old monitor has 0.4 millisecond redraw rate (great for it's time), you don't hardly notice it just using normal programs, oh yeah, but you notice it when you play video games. At least the monitor displayed video games at 60 fps, but because of that redraw rate, it looked to me like 30; i no longer cared about frame rates from my games since frame rate didnt matter anymore. Lcd has yet to eclipse what was awesome about the former technology.

VSync does no such thing. VSync caps your framerate at your monitor's refresh rate, and that is all it does. It never "let the card have more hosrepower", you can always chose to sacrifice FPS for quality by turning up the settings even without it. VSync also adds heavily to the lag time that you complained about LCDs having. Sounds more like it's hurting you than helping you.

Lack of VSync on a LCD also results in tearing.

The Asus screen has one of the lowest responce times of any LCD monitor available at about 1ms (grey to grey, but they all lie like that). Such things typically come with 144hz panels. "cheap good ol' 60hz" panels come with GTG rates of 5 to 16ms, which means you're disagreeing with deathfun.

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Right, see, this is the logic of someone who buys the $100 thing, says "it's fine", and never tries anything nice. I'm sorry if I'm misjudging, you may not be that way, but that's exactly the type of mentality. People who think that way miss out on quite a bit.

Apologies, but I've seen 120hz before in a three monitor setup with Titanfall. *Finger twirl*
My experienced for gaming was made better with the three monitors, but the 120FPS wasn't exactly adding anything to it

I can understand why many gamers would aim to get as smooth as possible experience for themselves, but you're not missing out by sticking with more inexpensive monitors that'll last the same amount of time at 60hz/FPS



Get three monitors instead! Now *that's* an experience

Seeing it is not using it. It does not give you experiance. I have experiance with both 120hz and tri-screen and more. Between my own experiances and those of the hundreds of people I've talked to that use the monitor, I can safely say it's a good buy.

As much as I loved my eyefinity, there's a number of things that ruin it. One is bezels. Another is limited support, even in portrait. Landscape support is just abysmal. Another is desk space. The list goes on. A single 1440 or 1600 screen is usually enough of a jump over 1080 for people, but not on a 650Ti, which is why I did not recomend it. Tri-1080 is even harder to push than 1440, it's a horrible idea.

Huh, so there's now IPS panels with 120Hz+ refresh rates? I am now using two BenQ XL2420T's. One's little older 120Hz and the other is newer 144Hz. I am by no means hardcore gamer who plays competitive multiplayer games (or even any multiplayer games much at all), I still find the smoothness of 120Hz+ very compelling and I wouldn't want to go back to 60Hz panels.

Eh... Not "Officialy".

The PCB inside the Tempest and Catleap are very different from normal IPS panels. Unlike others, these screens can "overclock". Not every one is garunteed to work at 120hz, but they are up to 100 or so. Due to them being 1440p screens, you need a driver patcher to allow DVI freqs above 330Mhz to be able to handle the bandwidth required, and you need the CRU (Custom Res Utility) to make display profiles allowing higher than 60hz. Mine was able to do 120hz with no timing modifications out of the box.

Overclocking in this instance does not involve voltage. It's simply how fast you can get your pixels to go before they error out, like the 120 and 144hz TN panels.

I was skeptical of the Tempest at first, but it was the only way to get 1440, 120hz, and IPS at the same time from a company based in the US. I'm actually impressed with it's build quality, I wasn't expecting it to be made as well as it is.
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Seeing it is not using it. It does not give you experiance

Let me rephrase: I was at a computer store with a three monitor setup and I was mucking around on it. The game was Titanfall
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Re: Suggestions for New Monitor
My brother is using a 17" crt right now, but it only has 1280x1080 resolution.  What should I get him then?

Well of course that depends on what he'll use it for? Refresh rate and response time are pretty much meaningless unless it's used for high-speed gaming or other special purposes.

You should also first just decide how much money you want to put into it, since you can get something that'd be an improvement over the current one for as little as <$150 already.

 

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Well of course that depends on what he'll use it for? Refresh rate and response time are pretty much meaningless unless it's used for high-speed gaming or other special purposes.
Well said.

Determine intended use. For general purpose use, random off-the-chance playing of games pretty much any new off-the-shelf monitor is sufficient. If he intends to be doing serious image manipulation, he's not going to care about refresh rates but accurate colors, which means IPS panel. If he intends to be playing games regularly, then it wouldn't be wrong to go with a 144Hz monitor and pair it with a decently powered GPU. Determine budget. Obviously this is how you focus your selection of choice. Pick what's the best fit in terms of price, features, look and user reviews.

 

Offline est1895

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Re: Suggestions for New Monitor
The intended use is basically to play Freespace.  That's my brother's most favorite game.