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This would make Argentina the strongest naval power in South Africa.
Last time I checked the map, Argentina was still located in South America. Have they relocated in this timeline?  :p
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Re: Enioch's naval shenanigans - RTW as Germany - [Image Heavy!]
I mean, we could just suppose that Argentina got adventurous and somehow managed to start **** with South Africa....
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I mean, we could just suppose that Argentina got adventurous and somehow managed to start **** with South Africa....

One of the things that prompted the rise of fascism in the UK was when Argentina used their German-bought equipment to Steamroll the Falkland Islands so hard that they somehow found themselves in South Africa. Seems plausible.

 

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"In this he was forced to face the inopportune timing of Oswald Mosley's rise to power in Great Britain and the resulting influx of political refugees; the spectre of von Papen in Britain; the Falklands crisis. And, above all, his own failing constitution."

I mean, we could just suppose that Argentina got adventurous and somehow managed to start **** with South Africa....

One of the things that prompted the rise of fascism in the UK was when Argentina used their German-bought equipment to Steamroll the Falkland Islands so hard that they somehow found themselves in South Africa. Seems plausible.

I'm glad to see that somebody is reading the historical blurbs. ;)
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Big Guns, Transatlantic Allies and Black Shirts




"While Germany entered Mosley's Folly with a clear desire to protect her newly re-established Kerneuropa, the priorities of the United States were by no means as clear. It is worth recalling that Neither Washington nor Rome were signatories to the Paris Accords, and the declaration of war with the express purpose of expanding their holdings was not considered illegal by either nation."

"The United States and Germany had collaborated shortly before and after the signing of the Rome Pact, most notably in the re-arming of the Argentinian army and navy in 1928 and 1929; in recently de-classified documents from the Department of Foreign Affairs archive, one can easily see that the administration of the period considered this collaboration a sounding board for potential American-German collaboration. The potential benefit to the economies of both nations was obvious."

"Most importantly, the US could not afford to be left out of what they considered the inevitable division of spoils that would follow any Anglo-German war. Isolationism, with Germany already extending its influence over South America, was no longer an option for the US; they had to join one faction or the other. It was a difficult choice (much has already been written about the first attempts to reach an agreement with the Mosley regime) but between the morally questionable policies of the Bunsi administration and the hardline conservative imperialistic policies of royalist Germany the Americans eventually selected the latter [...]"


-Dr. Francis Wayde, 2005. From Friends to Foes: the United States and Germany in the Twentieth Century, Oxford University Press.




The new Kerneuropa has her supporters, but it also has an acerbic critic. Oswald Mosley, now wielding power almost uncontested in Great Britain, rants against Stresemann's creation:

"The little man," he cries to his audience, in the rallies where his fiery speeches are broadcasted to an audience of thousands, "the little man draws his little plans. The little man, with his little plots and his little vision, scrabbles in the dirt and seeks to find comrades in his misery. The hypocrite, the deceiver. He speaks of lasting peace. But the Britons have not forgotten."

"Never shall we forget the raids in Harwitch. Never shall we forget the thousands upon thousands that were cast into the dark waves, by invisible killers in the deep. We shall not forget the hunger, the death, the cold the devastation that these little men with their little souls inflicted on our innocent countrymen. We shall not forget, because we
cannot: their blood cries out from beyond the grave to us and their labours demand that we match them."

"And now, now that their plots have come to naught and the Empire rises again to meet them, now they preach peace and speak of the Laws of War. Now they seek allies, little men with little hearts, accomplices to their crimes-to-be."


At this point, Stresemann and his government officially suggest to German expats in the Commonwealth that they are no longer safe and that they should return to Germany. By the end of 1928, more than seven hundred thousand people have returned to Europe from around the world; it's not an easy task to re-integrate them into Germany, but Stresemann will soon be proven right.



Meanwhile, the Admiralität can see the writing on the wall; both Scheer and Galster are very pleased with the new batch of Zerstörer. They should be complete and commissioned in less than a year.



Hannover, on the other hand, arrives right now, and she's a beauty. She immediately departs on her shakedown cruise, meeting with Bismarck in the relatively secure waters of the Med.





The Admiralität also sells several licences to the Italians, including the designs for the more modern underwater protection schemes and the improved power training mountings used in the Hannovers. The soonest the Italians can get a ship utilising these technologies out is two years from now, and they will never have enough of a budget to threaten the German Navy. Establishing these deals in good faith is more important right now. Especially since, if the Italians are to be allies in the future, it would be nice if their ships were capable. The Regia Marina would, after all, be expected to contribute to the guarding of the Med, Gibraltar and the Suez.





OK. It's a capable Light Cruiser, but Germany has no light cruisers that this might be able to bully. And every heavy cruiser in the German fleet can keep up or overtake her. This thing is a wreck waiting to happen ifit ever comes to blows with Russia.



September: and Hannover returns from her working up. No problems are reported: she's a wonderful ship and her crew are already looking for a scrap with the Brits.



Yup, absolutely. Keep funding Germany's 5.5 million monthly deficit, Spaghettis.





Wonderful. Right on time, too.







And then comes the big surprise.

In early November 1928, the newly-elected President H. Hoover instructs his administration to begin preliminary discussions with Germany, with the intent of signing an alliance. The US had observed the developments in Europe and the sale of German ships to Argentina with interest; and Hoover had come to the conclusion that isolationism (or even a strict adherence to the Munroe doctrine) would not help the US. A war between Germany and Great Britain was brewing: America stood to benefit by tipping the scales of the conflict and reaping the spoils of victory.

With the B.U.N.S. active in Britain, and with Hoover's own republican policies being relatively comparable to Stresemann's own course, Hoover had reached the conclusion that casting his lot with Germany would be a better option. The Alliance was officially signed in early January, shortly after the Kaiser's birthday, and, for Stresemann, it was a godsent.



This is also good, I suppose.



When the news of the negotiations reach the Brits, Mosley's polemics rise to a new pitch. He even finds a semi-willing audience among the Japanese, who are very concerned by the German-American alliance.





The year ends with the first Zerstörer leaving the slipways and with yet another sale to the Italians.



HAHAHAHA.



BIG GUNS.

TIME TO GO SUPER-CURRYWURST.



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Best allies. The entirety of Germany's heavy cruiser force carries 9-inchers.

Oh Mein Gott, the Roons will be insanely powerful...



...yup, design is still viable. 34 knots with 12 quqlity 1 9-inchers. And torp defense level 4. And 6-inch armor on the turrets. Lulz.



Yeah, sure, Russkies. It's an old tech, and you're no threat anyway.



Oh Mein Gott!

The US want a piece of the South American pie; and so, when the Argentinians approach the Germans again, the Allies are both willing to serve the market.





Big guns and high muzzle velocities?





Damcon for the Russkies? Yes, why not.



Also, this. 13k yards range for German torps. Nothing OP here, move along.



And then, in July of 1929, the Wörth formally joins the Hochseeflotte.

At this point, there is no doubt that war is imminent with Britain. Stresemann has reined in his placating policies; he is now shifting his priorities to reinforcing the fleet.

On the 15th of July, a meeting of the highest-ranking Admiralität brass takes place in Wilhelmshaven. Stresemann, his aides, and even the Kaiser himself are in attendance. Scheer has something to propose.

With Hessen still in construction, there are three major slipways currently empty in Germany. Scheer proposes that they be filled, with a new generation of experimental superheavy cruisers.

Emphasis on Superheavy.



The Kaiser agrees.



Unfortunately, there's a leak in the Admiralität. The proposed new construction becomes known to the British and the French. The French are appalled that the Germans would further escalate the battleship race; Mosley screams bloody murder and points at this new Naval Bill as evidence that Stresemann is a wolf in sheep's clothing.



He's right to be concerned.

Germany has been building submarines slowly but steadily throughout the years. Right now, she has more boats in active service than any other nation in the world. Hilariously (or tragically, depending on your point of view), Great Britain has not learned her lesson. Mosley has focused on rebuilding the battleline - more as a political statement than anything else. The ships of Britain rule the waves and her mighty dreadnoughts are a symbol of the empire.

Sadly, the Admiralty has neglected their patrol craft. The entirety of the Empire can field only twelve minesweepers, with ten more in construction. This, essentially, means that Germany can deploy four submarines for each British ASW ship.

The U-Bootkommando are already licking their chops.



By the end of September, Stresemann has fully commited to preparing Germany for war. The new Naval Bill passes on the 12th of the month; the Navy receives an additional thirty million Reichsmark from the yearly budget to play with.



Wörth completes her training cruise just in time...



...for the R & D folk to introduce a new revolutionary director system.

OK. That's enough. Scheer authorises the laying down of the new super-cruisers.



Meet the Gneisenau and her two sisters: Prinz Eitel Friedrich and Friedrich Carl.

These are, if anything, implementations of the British battlecruiser doctrine. Fast ships, armed with overwhelming firepower. Scheer hopes to utilise them as fast scouts, as opportunistic pouncers and as flankers for fleet engagements. They are meant to move quickly and bring a massive broadside to bear when it is needed.

They are big ships, as big as the Zähringens, at 52k tons. They will be, however, much faster than their aging predecessors. They are designed to reach 32 knots, with a set of revolutionary turboelectric drive engines, which are rated at 182shp: the most powerful ever installed on a capital ship world-wide.

Their belt is anemic, at 10 inches: they are, after all, supercruisers, not true Schlachtkreuzer, as the Germans have come to know them. But their deck is relatively thick, at 3.5 inches, and their conning tower,  turrets and barbettes are as well-armored as in any of the German 'unsinkables', to prevent the flash fires that were so common in British battlecruisers. Their torpedo defense is as uncompromising as in any other German capital ship; and their armor is All-or-Nothing.

But the most important thing about them is that, for the first time, they introduce the German 41 cm SK C/45 gun, often nicknamed 'Johann', after von Mecklenburg. These rifles are installed in high-elevation mountings, and are able to shoot over the horizon, at a maximum range of almost 34km. The supercruisers mount nine of them, in an ABY layout. These guns are controlled by the new advanced directors and complemented by 14 5-inch secondaries in double turrets: this is a considerably heavier secondary broadside than the German dreadnoughts bear, but the Gneisenau and her sisters will be operating away from the battleline and they will require a more substantial anti-DD defense.

Finally, the Gneisenaus also mount eight torpedoes per side, in quad launchers. Their addition is a testament to the cruiser-like character of the design: no other German capital had ever mounted torpedoes above the waterline.

Their keels are laid down on the day of the Kaiser's birthday, with him officiating. They are the apples of Scheer's eyes. They will miss this war (hopefully), but the Admiralität looks to them for the future of German naval supremacy.



Of course, as soon as news about their size and armament reach him, Oswald Mosley screams bloody murder.


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I make an alliance with the USA. I unlock 16 inchers and better 9-inchers immediately afterwards.

There is a joke here about 'Muricans and guns, but Germans have no sense of humour (as everybody knows).
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Re: Enioch's naval shenanigans - RTW as Germany - [Image Heavy!]
So a double alliance with the muricans and macaronis... interesting to say at least. I didn't even know this is possible cause it never happened to me ;)

I'm also curious about how these new Superkreuzer will perform in your game. I often built low armor/big gun BCs during late game to accompany my tanky BBs but always tried my best to keep them at high range and out of harms way.
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Wow. That design is... certainly unique. From the looks of it, this will tear anything BC and smaller apart and have insane and run down anything bigger than a contemporary destroyer, but with that thin belt, a dreadnought with equally large guns could score penetrating hits well before your guns can.

Here's hoping you won't get those mixed in with your slow BBs and unable to take full advantage of that 32 knots speed.

And how is that not rated as a BC? This game can be a bit fuzzy about BC/BB classification sometimes.
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Wow. That design is... certainly unique. From the looks of it, this will tear anything BC and smaller apart and have insane and run down anything bigger than a contemporary destroyer, but with that thin belt, a dreadnought with equally large guns could score penetrating hits well before your guns can.

I wouldn't call it unique, per se. It's almost an OTL Iowa, if you squint.

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Here's hoping you won't get those mixed in with your slow BBs and unable to take full advantage of that 32 knots speed.

And how is that not rated as a BC? This game can be a bit fuzzy about BC/BB classification sometimes.

Here's hoping.

Also, good catch: it's, in fact, a BC. I just took the screenshot before the validation algorithm fired.
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Meet the Gneisenau and her two sisters: Prinz Eitel Friedrich and Friedrich Carl.
Hold on, you can't have Gneisenau and not have one of her sisters be named Scharnhorst.
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Meet the Gneisenau and her two sisters: Prinz Eitel Friedrich and Friedrich Carl.
Hold on, you can't have Gneisenau and not have one of her sisters be named Scharnhorst.




Scharnhorst is coming later. She's going to be one of the new and improved Zähringen successors.

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Whar r teh updoots?
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Aten't dead, just eyeball-deep in fieldwork, writing two publication articles and preparing my application for funding for next year. So I can, y'know, pay rent and eat.

I will probably update this once or twice in February, but I won't be able to get into a regular schedule before mid-March
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Meanwhile, I will leave this here.

If you ever wanted to play an Enioch-style Zähringen, this ship gets pretty close to it.


Sixteen 13'' rifles on a T7 ship are utterly hilarious.


Case in point
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Der mächstigste König im Luftrevier...



The Grosskreuzer SMS Gneisenau under construction in Hamburg.

"The Gneisenau and her sisters were a monumental gamble, for they were, in fact, a German variation of the British 'battlecruiser' doctrine. They were distilled into the very essence of speed and overwhelming firepower, of course, forged in a decidedly German methodical manner, far superior to the slapdash British monstrosities; but, when their keels were laid down, we could not know whether we had succeeded in achieving our desired goals. Even more importantly, we could not know whether the very idea of such ships was inherently flawed: whether, in search of a Platonic Ideal, we had unearthed a poisoned kernel."

It would take years for us to realise the strengths and weaknesses of our new Grosskreuzer in their full extent; at the time, the escape of the vile traitor and Mosley's Folly called the old fleet to action once more

-Admiral R. Scheer, The German High Seas Fleet, Berlin & Rome 1943.


"I, myself, will never acknowledge an Englishman again for the rest of my life, nor wear an English Order on my chest. The fellows must be brought to their knees for this affront."

-His Imperial Majesty, Kaiser Wilhelm II, after being informed of Great Britain's refusal to lift Franz Von Papen's political asylum.



Tensions with Great Britain have never been so high since the Anglo-German war. Mosley's polemic thunders across Europe, and Stresemann has long since abandoned all pretense of seeking a reconciliation. The laying down of the new German Grosskreuzer has fanned the flames, but the worst is yet to come.



On the night of the 24th of January, Franz von Papen escapes his prison, aided by a posse of collaborators and two bribed guards. In all fairness, it is a rather dare-devil scheme, and well-prepared, taking advantage of the set guard schedules and a blind spot in the castle enclosure. The ex-Kanzler is secreted through Germany on a string of getaway automobiles, barely staying one step ahead of his delayed pursuers; he reaches the Emse by the morning of the 25th. A small trawler has been procured for his escape; he sails pass the Frisian islands and reaches Scarborough by the night of the 26th, where he officially applies for political asylum.



Mosley's regime is only too happy to provide it.



Germany is stunned at first; and then the Tripartite Axis erupts in appalled indignation. The Germans and Italians protest vocally and demand that the Dolchenschurke be returned to Germany's custody, as the war criminal that he is. France pipes in, not as an ally of the Germans, but as the country that had suffered the most from Von Papen's misadventurous tendencies. And H. Hoover's USA look upon the rising tensions, consider the benefits a shift to a war footing might provide to their stalling economy and their rising unemployment and chime in with gusto.

Mosley utterly rejects their demands. In his mind, Great Britain is more powerful than ever. Under his regime, they have rebuilt the Grand Fleet; their grip over their colonies is as hard as ever (too hard, some detractors say); and it is a matter of prestige that he will not accept any terms dictated to him.



"It is our duty to show," he thunders to a cheering audience, "that we have not forever lost the British spirit. We will not retreat to the shadow of our great ancestors, but, when called upon by the need of our country and our fellow British, we will rise to match them! Those who march with us will certainly face abuse, misunderstanding, bitter animosity, and possibly the ferocity of struggle and of danger. In return, we can only offer to them the deep belief that they are fighting that a great land may live!"



Welp.

To that, there is little Stresemann can reply; the only response that His Majesty will accept and support is that given at the end of a gun. And this time - for the first time in history, Wilhelm is praised internationally for his uncompromising stance. He appears committed in support of Stresemann's new 'war morality' principles and an ardent enemy of the aggressive expansionists like Von Papen (and, now, Mosley). In a striking reversal, Wilhelm, the irreconcilable Hawk of Europe, is suddenly viewed as the peace-loving, enlightened ruler.



In a sense, this confuses the aging Kaiser, who is not used to international acclaim. And yet, he rises to the occasion. Shortly after the inevitable declaration of war on the morning of the 14th of February, he makes an official visit to von Mecklenburg's tomb, and spends two hours there, alone, in the presence of his departed friend. Upon his emergence, he addresses the gathered crowd, in what became known as the Sankt-Valentinstagrede. His speech remains one of the most widely known to the modern historian, for its masterful rhetoric, its appeal to the unconquered German spirit and its dismissal of all that might divide the Germans in this crucial moment.

"Ich kenne keine Parteien mehr," the Kaiser concludes, to the cheering of the crowd. "All die Völker des Deutschen Reiches kenne ich nicht mehr. Ich kenne nur noch mein vereintes geliebtes Volk. Ich kenne nur noch Deutsche."




Meanwhile, the Admiralität rejoices at the first field test of the new 432 mm rifle, codenamed 'Karl'. She's a decent gun, comparable to the 16-inch 'Johann', but she's heavier and the naval architects are a bit concerned about its implementation in the navy.

But this is irrelevant, for the time being. With Britain having declared war on Germany (and with the Italians joining in), the German Hochseeflotte departs its harbours to engage the Grand Fleet. Unlike Galster, who is now filling a purely administrative position, neither Scheer nor Hipper are averse to seeking out a capital-ship engagement.

The chance to do so comes on the morning of the 21st of February, when an enemy capital ship squadron enters the German Bight, in an early attempt to establish a blockade.



Germany is aware of the incursion thanks to Zeppelin patrols; she has deployed coastal subs as spotters ahead of the fleet. The fleet that Scheer has assigned to Hipper is, itself, terrifying.



In the south, near Helgoland, Hipper has three Schlachtschiffdivisionen. The 15-inch sister-ships Elsass and Schwaben form one, followed by the 14-inch Bismarck-class Brandenburg. This force is commanded by Konteradmiral Michaelis.

To their south, the Schlachtschiff SMS Wettin operates independently, serving as a relay between Michaelis and Hipper: Hipper has his flag on the SMS Wörth, which leads a two-ship division of herself and her sister-ship, the SMS Hannover. These ships are the pride of the German navy: newly-commissioned 15-inch 'Unsinkables'.

The SMS Graf Spee and the SMS Hindenburg are providing scouting for the Schlachtschiffe. They are far ahead of the fleet, commanded by Kapitän zur See Gustav Lindermann.



But it is the second scouting force, comprised of the Zähringen and the Mackensen, and commanded by Kapitän zur See Daniel Kupfer, that will make first contact with the enemy. At 11:36, the lookouts of the Zähringen make out the silhouette of an enemy capital in the horizon. A radio signal is immediately sent to the flagship; Hipper changes course to the north, to intercept.



The enemy ship is fast and her guns engage the Schlachtkreuzer from outside the range of their own 12-inchers. But she closes in and, as the German ships turn away (buying time for the battleships to arrive), the Mackensen fires a broadside at extreme range. The British shells straddle the Zähringen, but score no hits; the Mackensen's broadside, on the other hand, lands a hit on the enemy's deck. The Germans erupt in cheers. Off to a good start!



Kupfer turns his ships toward the south, to meet up with Hipper. The Mackensen keeps her rear turrets on the closing enemy battlecruiser, straddling her several more times, but scoring no more hits.

Hipper is already licking his chops. Whatever this British ship is, it has overcommited badly. He does not know if he has been spotted yet, but he's sure that, when he is, it'll be a rude surprise.



It is a rude surprise.

The superior optics on the Elsass manage to identify the enemy ship. She's an Australia, a modernised relic from the last war. She's an early cross-fire implementation of the British 15-inchers, and she's made of paper. The fire control officers of the Elsass note that her rear turret has been knocked out by the plunging fire of the Mackensen's broadside; and then the Elsass opens fire at long range, punching a 15-inch shell of her own through the Brit's deck.





Welp. Not modernised enough, I suppose.



Dayum, Elsass, you scary.

The German fleet pushes in, to hammer the light cruiser that was escorting the Australia...



...until Mackensen and Zähringen prove to be spotting MVPs, by detecting two more capital ships (possibly battlecruisers) approaching from the north. This is surprising: this is where Kupfer's division originally came from. The British ships must have been trailing them for hours, waiting for the time to engage!





Kupfer identifies the trailing ship: she's an Indomitable class, another relic from the previous war. But the first ship is giving him trouble. She's new, with sleek lines and what seems to be a distressingly heavy battery. Whatever she is, she's scary.

For now, Mackensen continues her utterly contemptuous smackdown of British battlecruisers by nailing the Indomitable with three 12-inch shells.



Oh, hey, there are survivors in the water, from the Australia! The V30 requests permission to pick them up; Hipper orders her to keep clear. The German Zerstörer are coming under fire from the British light ships, and Hipper will not lose a ship to pick up enemy sailors if he can help it. They can wait until the battle is over, or until it has moved off somewhere else.

Also, hey, the Zähringen has identified the other battlecruiser. Let's see what sort of ship the Brits have depl-







HEILIGE SCHEISSE!

That's a Spartiate. That's a next-generation battlecruiser, Mosley's brainchild, and the thing that keeps Scheer and Hipper awake at night, with cold sweat running down their spines.

Ten (count 'em!) 16-inch rifles. A 12-inch belt and a 4-inch deck, to defeat long-range shots. A 29-knot top speed! All arranged in a neat 48k-ton package, barreling down on the Zähringen and the Mackensen.

And the pain train keeps coming:



That's the British battle-line coming up behind the Spariate. At least two Super-Dreadnoughts, and another squadron of what seem to be battlecruisers, if their speed is anything to go by.

Well, this is a fine how-do-you-do. The only thing holding that flank are the two old Zähringen-class Schlachtkreuzer of Kupfer's division and they'll soon be coming under fire by the entirety of-





Welp, nevermind.

Michaelis proceeds to detach his division from the flagship and charges down the incoming British battleline. The Schwaben takes a hit from one of the Superdreads, and one of her aft turrets jam; but Elsass bounces a shot from the Indomitable on her belt (hah! tickles) and closes the range. Over the next four minutes, the German Schlachtschiffe proceed to utterly stomp the Spartiate into the ground, scoring a total of eight 14- and 15-inch hits on her.



Another battleship shell pens the Schwaben's deck; at long range, her thin turtleback armour provides very little protection. But damage is minimal and her two forward turrets are still engaging the enemy unhindered.



The first Superdread identifications start coming in. There's at least a Venerable-class out there, that should serve as a speed-bump for the German Unsinkables; and the spotters on the Wettin can also make out the characteristic many-turreted silhouette of a Camperdown, the infamous British 15-inch 'shotguns', that they developed in response to the Zähringens.



Something from the British battleline hits the Wettin like a sledgehammer. Her forward turret is penetrated by plunging fire, but the shell is a dud. The crew survive with minimal casualties; while the turret is disabled for a while, it remains operational. Another shell strikes her 'Doria' turret, jamming it in its bearings. The damcon crews get to work; but it's a sobering moment for the Germans. Their horizontal armor is simply inadequate for long-range engagements: Hipper needs to push in.

And so he does, and the Brits run.

An overview of the battlefield:



To the north-west, the Zähringen, Mackensen, Wettin and Lindermann's division are pursuing the Camperdown, the Venerable and two more unidentified Superdreads. Whatever they are, they have heavy guns; at least 15-inchers.



To the south-east, Hipper is pushing with his two Hannover-class ships against the Spartiate and the Indomitable. The Graf Spee and the Hindenburg are following him, more as escorts than actual combatants.



Ten minutes into this fight, and the Venerable has been, predictably, shot to pieces. The Camberdown, similarly, has lost half its broadside, her thin turret armour unable to withstand the German 15-inch shells. It's only by the grace of God that the repeated turret fires have not travelled down to her magazines.



Meanwhile, Hipper's force is faring less well. Accurate fire from the Spartiate (and she's hurt, but by no means dead) has jammed the two fore turrets of the Hannover. Hipper can only engage with a total of 6 15-inch rifles and keep pursuing (if he angles to unshadow his aft batteries, the Spartiate's speed will mean that she will get away). He chooses to do so.



And then, finally, the Wettin gets eyes on the British Superdreads that have been firing at her all this time.





TWELVE 16-inchers per ship?

OK, their belt is paper-thin when compared to the German Unsinkables - the British Admiralty must have skimped on something to put that many guns on a hull that size. But still, those are twenty-four 16-inchers, staring down Michaelis's battle-line. And the Brits have shown that they can shoot.



Meanwhile, the Indomitable and the Spartiate have been trying to rejoin their battle-line, running away from the Wörth and the Hannover. In the Wörths conning tower, Hipper pores over the latest reports and the map table; and he orders a message to be sent to Michaelis:

ENEMY BATTLECRUISER FORCE APPROACHING FROM THE EAST. FLAG IS IN PURSUIT. PRIORITISE OVER ALL OTHER TARGETS.



Lindermann receives the message and turns his three-ship Geschwader towards the east. Wettin continues towards the north alone, trusting in her monolithic armor to keep her safe under the concentrated fire of the two Europas. She gets pummelled, but the rangefinders of Elsass and her sisters get the few moments of calm they need to acquire the nearing Spartiate.



At a range of around 9k yards, the guns of Elsass belch out their thunder-





-and the Spartiate disappears in a cloud of shrapnel.

****ing HELL, Brits, that's a newly built ship! Have you learned nothing!?

The explosion illuminates a second battlecruiser next to the original Spartiate. It appears to be a a sister-ship that somehow had evaded attention so far. This confuses the German lookouts considerably, but eventually the disposition of the forces as they stand can be summed up thusly:



The Wettin is still leading the charge against the Europas and her armour is holding firm. At under 10k yards, her thin turtleback belt is impervious to the flat trajectories of the British shells and her angled bow deflects the British broadsides like they're marbles. A full broadside by the trailing Europa scores four hits: one overpens the Wettin's superstructure; the other jams one of her turrets, but fails to penetrate; the other two just bounce off German steel.





In return, the Wettin is scoring good hits on the enemy, and Michaelis's forces are closing in; but one of the screening Zerstörer, the V6 receives a penetrating hit to her bridge, fired by an enemy destroyer. The entirety of the bridge crew, including Kaleun Dornier die in the ensuing explosion.



Meanwhile, the Graf Spee has reached the crippled Camperdown. It's not a fair fight: the British Dreadnought has been stripped of most of her guns. But the Graf takes no chances, and proceeds to methodically pump 12-inch shells into her turrets until the enemy strikes her colours.



And Wettin has done her job. The trailing Europa has also been effectively mission-killed, and she is now puttering forward, while Hipper is closing in from the east. Hannover scores the kill.



But celebrations are cut short when a fountain of water erupts from the Graf Spee's port side. A British torpedo has found its mark!



These are not French firecrackers; these are powerful British warheads and they manage to penetrate the Graf's torpedo belt. Flooding is heavy.



To add insult to injury, the Hindenburg is also hit by a torpedo shortly after, suffering heavy casualties. And flooding.



To draw capital fire away from them, Hipper redirects the Wörth and Hannover south, to mess up the second Spartiate. Precision fire from the German 15-inchers knocks out the British battlecruiser's guns in short order.



It's not too soon for the poor, abused Hindenburg. Her lack of a torpedo belt has seriously messed her up. More than half of her reserve buoyancy is gone, and she's still letting in several tons of water every minute. Her damcon crews have done wonders to keep her afloat, but she's hurting bad.

The old Wittelsbachs are just too fragile to perform well in a modern battle-line.



The Graf, on the other hand, is faring much better. Her flooding is almost under control and she has the buoyancy to spare.



The death of the second Spartiate is almost...anticlimactic, when compared to the fiery demise of her sister.



Hipper confirms a southern course, to deal with the destroyers that are coming up the aft of the Schlachtkreuzer.



Together, the two squadrons chase down the surviving British light ships in the south.



Meanwhile, in the north, Michaelis and Kupfer have turned the fleeing Europa into a pinata. The constant 12-inch fire from the two Schlachtkreuzer has knocked out the British Superdread's turrets, while Elsass and her posse are scoring multiple hits on her deck and belt every minute. With the German ships now at a range of under 10k yards, their 'shotgun' broadsides are lethal.



But it is the Mackensen that scores the lethal blow, with a penetrating 12-inch shell from a range of 7k yards. The shell smashes through the Europa's aft belt and detonates in her machinery spaces, effectively killing the ship.





The fires started by the shell reach the magazines a few minutes later. The hulk of the Europa cracks like a tin can under the force of the explosion.



And, just like that, it's over. The Brits have no more capital ships on-station. All that remains is to pick up survivors and return to Helgoland for much-needed repairs.

And for a victory celebration unlike any other.





Germany's ships have suffered considerable damage, true. The Hindenburg, in particular, was saved by the skin of her teeth, reaching Helgoland with flooding still ongoing. Then again, after the mauling that the Graf Spee had suffered during the Franco-German wars, the dockhands of Helgoland and Wilhelmshaven were more than capable of dealing with Hindy's damage.

In return, the pride of the British fleet had been sunk. The British had lost the entirety of their raiding force: four Dreadnoughts, including two of their newest Europas and three battlecruisers, including two  Spartiates. Not to mention the five destroyers that had been sent to the bottom, to keep their larger brethren company.

Intel started flowing in during the following days. The British had lost:



The Spartiate herself, the name-ship of her class. She was the one that detonated halfway through the fight.



Her sister-ship, the Drake had died much harder, dueling Hipper's squadron.



The Europa-class Superdreadnought Renown also died well, reaping a heavy toll on Michaelis's force and pummeling Wettin hard during the close-range action in the north.



The Repulse was the last British capital to die, her magazines going up at the end of the engagement.



Great Britain had also lost several older ships. The Australia-class Furious was the first capital ship loss in the fight, her magazines detonating after receiving a total of five hits from the German battle-line.



The old Howe had taken a beating like the hard veteran that she was: more than 190 main battery hits had been scored on her, she had been stripped of all her guns and her belt had been pounded to scrap, but she had held on stubbornly until the very end of the engagement. A salute to the old guard!



As for who had thought that bringing the old Venerable-class Queen on a raiding mission: they ought to be shot for criminal incompetence. This ship should have been pulled out of active service years ago. Even a Valkyrie could have taken her.



MVPs for the German fleet: Wettin and Elsass, with more than 1800 shots fired between them and a hit percentage of 6.6% and 5.1% respectively. An honorable mention also goes to the Mackensen who scored 59 confirmed hits on the enemy capitals, having fired more than 1700 shells by herself (!)



Once again, many thanks to the Admiralität for the generous permission to reproduce the combat charts. The German forces started at the south-eastern corner of the map (red lines), while the British started at the south-west (blue). Note the short-lived scouting course of the Furious and the split of the German forces into two separate squadrons near the point of her death. Also note the long chase of the Europas towards the north.







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#OBLIGATORY PTERRY REFERENCE.

Things still hectic. To defy hecticness, have a low-key update, in which nothing important happens.

Nothing whatsoever.
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In a sense, this confuses the aging Kaiser, who is not used to international acclaim. And yet, he rises to the occasion. Shortly after the inevitable declaration of war on the morning of the 14th of February, he makes an official visit to von Mecklenburg's tomb, and spends two hours there, alone, in the presence of his departed friend. Upon his emergence, he addresses the gathered crowd, in what became known as the Sankt-Valentinstagrede. His speech remains one of the most widely known to the modern historian, for its masterful rhetoric, its appeal to the unconquered German spirit and its dismissal of all that might divide the Germans in this crucial moment.

"Ich kenne keine Parteien mehr," the Kaiser concludes, to the cheering of the crowd. "All die Völker des Deutschen Reiches kenne ich nicht mehr. Ich kenne nur noch mein vereintes geliebtes Volk. Ich kenne nur noch Deutsche."

Historical note:
This is something OTL Wilhelm actually said. It's part of his second Balkonansprache on the eve of WW1. "Ich kenne keine Parteien und auch keine Konfessionen mehr; wir sind heute alle deutsche Brüder und nur noch deutsche Brüder. Will unser Nachbar es nicht anders, gönnt er uns den Frieden nicht, so hoffe Ich zu Gott, daß unser gutes deutsches Schwert siegreich aus diesem schweren Kampfe hervorgeht." (Translated: "I see neither parties nor confessions anymore; today, we are all german brothers, and german brothers only. If our neighbour [meaning: Russia] wants a fight, if he doesn't allow us our peace, I hope to god that our good german sword emerges victorious from this hard battle")

Of course, I'm pretty sure that Enioch!Wilhelm's citizens are more willing to support him....

EDIT: Better translatings
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In a sense, this confuses the aging Kaiser, who is not used to international acclaim. And yet, he rises to the occasion. Shortly after the inevitable declaration of war on the morning of the 14th of February, he makes an official visit to von Mecklenburg's tomb, and spends two hours there, alone, in the presence of his departed friend. Upon his emergence, he addresses the gathered crowd, in what became known as the Sankt-Valentinstagrede. His speech remains one of the most widely known to the modern historian, for its masterful rhetoric, its appeal to the unconquered German spirit and its dismissal of all that might divide the Germans in this crucial moment.

"Ich kenne keine Parteien mehr," the Kaiser concludes, to the cheering of the crowd. "All die Völker des Deutschen Reiches kenne ich nicht mehr. Ich kenne nur noch mein vereintes geliebtes Volk. Ich kenne nur noch Deutsche."

Historical note:
This is something OTL Wilhelm actually said. It's part of his second Balkonansprache on the eve of WW1. "Ich kenne keine Parteien und auch keine Konfessionen mehr; wir sind heute alle deutsche Brüder und nur noch deutsche Brüder. Will unser Nachbar es nicht anders, gönnt er uns den Frieden nicht, so hoffe Ich zu Gott, daß unser gutes deutsches Schwert siegreich aus diesem schweren Kampfe hervorgeht." (Translated: "I recognize no parties and no confessions anymore; today, we are all german brothers, and german brothers only. If our neighbour [meaning: Russia] wants a fight, if he doesn't allow us our peace, I hope to god that our good german sword emerges victorious from this hard battle")

Of course, I'm pretty sure that Enioch!Wilhelm's citizens are more willing to support him....

Once more, on point with the historical notes, The_E!  :yes:

When quoting OTL historical figures, I try to always start with something they have actually said, and change it around a bit to suit the RTW!ATL. You will find that my Mosley excerpt is also partly a RL quote.*

And yes, I'm sure RTW!Willy has come to be much more appreciated by his people than his OTL counterpart. His own experiences and personal growth have certainly contributed to it; and, of course, being the reigning monarch during Germany's rise as Europe's uncontested superpower must have helped... :p



*A personal note: upon studying the character, I found his speeches to be a series of quite reasonable socialist-lite statements, punctuated by the jarringly pants-on-head craziness that is the hallmark of the 1930s fascist rhetoric in general. A fascinating historical figure, that requires a more thorough study; it would be interesting to try and see why he failed horribly OTL when other NatSoc and Fascist movements succeeded.

Quote from: Oswald Mosley
Faced with the alternative of saying goodbye to the gold standard, and therefore to his own employment, and goodbye to other people's employment, Mr. Churchill characteristically selected the latter course.

I mean, ouch, that burn
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That -3 crew quality on the Howe. The old guard might be a bit too old, maybe.

Appreciate the effort you put into the battle screenshots, makes it much easier to follow whats happening.
After this slaughter, how many capitals do the brits still have?
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[02:42] <@Axem> spoon somethings wrong
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[02:42] <@Axem> im happy with these missions now
[02:44] <@Axem> well
[02:44] <@Axem> with 2 of them