[Sarafan]

Instead of spending much money redesigning the Iceni class to support an fighter bay and actually build and test the whole thing, it just far less consuming and better to build a destroyer.

[Mars]

Or designing a carrier module for the Triton

Seriously, I think the future of the GTVA might be in modular designs.

[S-99]

The carrier module for the triton is really genious. That should be something good to implement. That's what got me obsessing over this. But mainly in the viewpoint of why don't more warships have launchbays?

[Sarafan]

Yeah, that carrier module for the Triton is impressive. To support the entire structure of an lauch bay together with the fighters, bombers, their ordnance, crew and spare parts you would need an imense part of the ship, so only something as big as a destroyer and above could suport such thing. The Moloch also has it but its carring capacity is defitinely much, much smaller.

[TrashMan]

The Hecate actually suckorz... The effective volume and shape make it a really ineffective design.

Good carrier, has good aaf, but it could be so much better. So many dead angles..so many places to hide ...tsk, tsk

[Mars]

Well if you get down to it the most effective design for a warship is a sphere, like a deathstar or borg sphere, but that would get boring rather quickly.

[Sarafan]

No, Mars, there shall never be any modular or sphere like design in FS, NEVER.

[Mars]

Modular yes, there will, that's the Triton carrier.

Sphereical no, I was just commenting on Trashmans trashtalk about the Hecate.

[Sarafan]

Oh.

[Mefustae]

Well if you get down to it the most effective design for a warship is a sphere, like a deathstar or borg sphere, but that would get boring rather quickly.

No, no, no. A Spherical design is not an efficient warship design. While a sphere will have extremely efficient power distribution, but it would be a somewhat crappy dedicated warship. Think about it, at any one time, it will only be able to bring >40% of its weapons an any one target, >30% if we're talking about something like Freespace beams that are incapable of reorientating themselves.

An efficient design would be dagger-shaped, much like an Imperial Star Destroyer.

[Mars]

Which would also get boring.

[Sarafan]

The current designs are just fine, really.

[Mars]

I'd agree, I don't know how we even got to that topic, although it is interesting.

With a wedge shape, what angle would be optimum?

Back to cruisers and all: I did this when I was boared (in about half an hour)
HP= Hit points
TCF= Total combined firepower (all of the damage / second from all of the weapons on a ship added together)
BF= Beam firepower, all of the sustained damage / second from all of the beams added together (including AAA)
Ship              Length   HP     TCF        BF
GVC Aten        230   18000     207.6   48
GTC Fenris       253    8000     496      197
GTC Leviathan  253    35000    368.4   157
GTC Aeolus      272    38000    1453.3   170
GVC Mentu      322    60000    1129.5   72
GVCv Sobek     608    80000    2947.5   1472
GTCv Deimos   717    80000    3049.6   1380
NTF Iceni        998    90000    3467.5   2328
GTD Hecate     2174   100000   3811.3   2204
GTD Orion       2023   100000   3661.2   3363
GVD Typhon     2153   120000   2797.4   1664
Hatshepsut       2126   135000   5596.8   2734
GTVA Colossus 6166   1000000   10404   7143

[FireCrack]

You'd want a wedge as shallow as possilbe while still steep enough that all weapons on the non rear face can fire forwards.

[AlphaOne]

WEll the frigate class would be a great adition to the GTVA warship classes since it would have enough firepower to be serious threat to any big warship(like a destroyer) . And with colapsed ore-molibden sheating or whatever its called and shielded subsitems it would be able to sustain a lot weapons fire. The ideal friggate would be somethinlg like the Iceni with at least the AAAf capabilities of an Aeoulous if not a corvette.


It would have the room for all these weapons because it wouldnt be using any kind of ETAK devices or anithing. Now that would be a verry powerfull warship. Fast, manouverable, deadly.

what about a pocket carrier something like covette sized with 2 sqoadrons based on it?

Oh and what does Fenathant stand for anywai???

[Mars]

Well the frigate class would be a great addition to the classes of GTVA warships since they would have enough
firepower to be serious threat to any big warship (like a destroyer).

I agree with that, but as far as I'm concerend, the Deimos could be a serious threat to a destroyer, all it needs are slightly more powerful beams, that extra 10,000 hitpoints, while nice, are not what's required, and actually, as you can tell from my chart, the real strength of the Iceni comes from its beams.

And with collapsed "ore-molibden seating"

For the record, it's collapsed-core molybdenum sheathing, I can't spell molybdenum either.

[A frigate with collapsed-core molybdenum sheathing] and shielded subsystems would be able to sustain a lot [of] [damage].

As far as I'm concerned, the collapsed-core molybdenum sheathing thing was kind of BS, you see, there's no mention of any special armor on the Sobek, but it has the same hitpoints as a Deimos, depleted uranium is

The ideal friggate would be somethinlg like the Iceni with at least the AAAf capabilities of an Aeoulous if not a corvette.

It [a frigate] would have the room for all these weapons, because it wouldn't be using any kind of ETAK devices or anything. Now that would be a very powerfull warship! Fast, manouverable... deadly.

For all we know ETAK could be a computer program, I doubt very heavily that it takes up much room at all, because Bosch was able to remove it very quickly to an Arael transport, as was the GTVA boarding party of the Iceni.

What about a pocket carrier: something covette sized with 2 squadrons based on it?

You know that Triton carrier module we were talking about? Well a TC-TRI container takes up roughly the same space as that taken up by two squadrons, now compare the TC-TRI to a Deimos, Sobek, or Moloch... you can see there'd be a problem fitting it in there, and if they found a way to put a 2 squadron fighterbay in a corvette, it would certainly reduce some important aspect, be it firepower, maneuverability, or speed.

Oh and what does Fenathan stand for anyway???

Fenathan that's Fenris + Leviathan. That's my way of refering to both of them together since they are so close in design.

[Mefustae]

WEll the frigate class would be a great adition to the GTVA warship classes since it would have enough firepower to be serious threat to any big warship(like a destroyer) . And with colapsed ore-molibden sheating or whatever its called and shielded subsitems it would be able to sustain a lot weapons fire. The ideal friggate would be somethinlg like the Iceni with at least the AAAf capabilities of an Aeoulous if not a corvette.


It would have the room for all these weapons because it wouldnt be using any kind of ETAK devices or anithing. Now that would be a verry powerfull warship. Fast, manouverable, deadly.

Okay, so how are the GTVA  supposed to afford it in a post-Capella age?

[Mars]

Which is why I think they should just upgrade the Deimos's (if they find the money), and forget about building warships other than some type of light carrier; the reason I like Axems fighterbox so much is because I think that's a prefect design for the post Capella age.

[AlphaOne]

Yep know about the Leviathan. Was just confused about the naming thats all.

In regards to the Deimos carrer thing. It doesnt have to be the same volume as a Deimos. sure it would have to trade something I was just thinking of the Deimos a sort a starting point for something like a pocket carrier. Although it would have to be wider...basicly have a lor more internal volume.

also cool ideea about the triton carrier. I'm somewhat confused as to the kind of role they would play in a fleet since they would have to be escorted by something.

Also why does a Deimos have 80.000 HP and about 1/3 th leghth of a destoyer. Doesnt that make the destroyer class somewhat flimsy(sp?) .

Sure the Deimos could be a serious threat to a destroyer but at the same time that depends on the destroyer doesnt it. I mean I can see a Deimos rape a Hecate but I dont see it dooing the same to an Orion or a Hatsheepsut (i'm finaly able to spell this name corect. Dont know who posted those pics depicting a hat a sheep and a suit but it worked thanx).

A frigate like the Iceni would really come in handi for the GTVA cuz other then the Orion which would eventualy be phased out and replaced by something else if posible they really dont have any other warship capable of such firepower. other the the Hatpsheepsut that is.






Edit: Well it would be a lot cheaper then building an entire destroyer and since it requires less crew to operate they can make the worth while. You know the whole we dont have enough trained crews to go around thing.

[Mars]

In regards to the Deimos carrer thing. It doesnt have to be the same volume as a Deimos. sure it would have to trade something I was just thinking of the Deimos a sort a starting point for something like a pocket carrier. Although it would have to be wider...basicly have a lor more internal volume.

Sounds about right, but Mefustae has a point, where is the GTVA getting this money?

also cool ideea about the triton carrier. I'm somewhat confused as to the kind of role they would play in a fleet since they would have to be escorted by something.

Well, there are the fighters and bombers it carriers for one, and then there's the rest of the fleet.

Also why does a Deimos have 80.000 HP and about 1/3 th leghth of a destoyer. Doesnt that make the destroyer class somewhat flimsy(sp?).

Yes it does, but they're extremely well armed flimsy things.

Sure the Deimos could be a serious threat to a destroyer but at the same time that depends on the destroyer doesnt it. I mean I can see a Deimos rape a Hecate but I dont see it dooing the same to an Orion or a Hatsheepsut (i'm finaly able to spell this name corect. Dont know who posted those pics depicting a hat a sheep and a suit but it worked thanx).

I'm sorry, it's Hat - shep -sut

Anyway, it obviously does depend on the destroyer, and I'm not saying a Deimos could do it on its own, but supported by fighters and bombers, or by each other, yes, corvettes can take out destroyers.

A frigate like the Iceni would really come in handi for the GTVA cuz other then the Orion which would eventualy be phased out and replaced by something else if posible they really dont have any other warship capable of such firepower. other the the Hatpsheepsut that is.

Your right there, but multiple, smaller ships can do the same job. It's like real life, you don't have giant battleships with 16" guns anymore, instead you have carriers, with planes, and missile destroyers and cruisers, all of which deliver a fraction of the firepower of 16" shells, but there are more of them.






Edit: Well it would be a lot cheaper then building an entire destroyer and since it requires less crew to operate they can make the worth while. You know the whole we dont have enough trained crews to go around thing.

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