[AlphaOne]

Umm a frigate class would actualy be worth while since it is small enough and i'm willing to et cheap enough to be inclueded in the fleet.

[aldo_14]

I'd agree, I don't know how we even got to that topic, although it is interesting.

With a wedge shape, what angle would be optimum?

Back to cruisers and all: I did this when I was boared (in about half an hour)
HP= Hit points
TCF= Total combined firepower (all of the damage / second from all of the weapons on a ship added together)
BF= Beam firepower, all of the sustained damage / second from all of the beams added together (including AAA)
Ship              Length   HP     TCF        BF
GVC Aten        230   18000     207.6   48
GTC Fenris       253    8000     496      197
GTC Leviathan  253    35000    368.4   157
GTC Aeolus      272    38000    1453.3   170
GVC Mentu      322    60000    1129.5   72
GVCv Sobek     608    80000    2947.5   1472
GTCv Deimos   717    80000    3049.6   1380
NTF Iceni        998    90000    3467.5   2328
GTD Hecate     2174   100000   3811.3   2204
GTD Orion       2023   100000   3661.2   3363
GVD Typhon     2153   120000   2797.4   1664
Hatshepsut       2126   135000   5596.8   2734
GTVA Colossus 6166   1000000   10404   7143

"There are three types of lies - lies, damn lies, and statistics.".......

NB: Fenriathan; Fenris-Leviathan.

[AlphaOne]

whats that suposed to mean? I mean the whole quete and the lies part? Did i miss something??

[Mars]

That was a quote from... who was it, Winston Churchill? Anywaym he was pointing out that frigates aren't small, and probably aren't cheap.

[AlphaOne]

Umm they are smaller then a bloody destroyer and a hell of a lot cheaper. Or are you gooing to tell me that a frigate is actualy more expensive then a destroyer.

Also I believe I saw an actual frigate in the Derelict campaign it was way cool but somehow lacked the punch the Iceni once had. Cant figure out why. It did say something about weapons emplacements beeing optimized for better coverage.

Anyway can someone please enlighten me as to why the Hecate has 35000 hp less then the Hatshepsut?(Yey finali got it right.)

[Mars]

Because it's better armored.

Actually I was wrong, aldo was saying those are just statistics that don't really mean anything, and he's right, but I already wrote that.

I need to get more sleep at night.

[S-99]

I'd imagine that ships smaller than destroyers are cheaper to produce

[aldo_14]

Technically, we don't actually have a class definition for a frigate.

[Mefustae]

Indeed, the Iceni is actually without a class definition beyond the tech-room describing it as the NTF's 'Command Frigate', and quite frankly, I find the whole 'command frigate' thing rather iffy, and not really enough to hail it as an entirely new 'Frigate' class. More likely; it's a completely unique ship not unlike the Colossus or Lucifer [AFAWK], and therefore not privy to it's own 'class'.

[Colonol Dekker]

As far as Freespace goes, Doesn't a Frigate fill the gap between cruiser and corvette, or is the Iceni a bit bigger than a corvette?

[aldo_14]

As far as Freespace goes, Doesn't a Frigate fill the gap between cruiser and corvette, or is the Iceni a bit bigger than a corvette?

Well, in table definitions and model name the Iceni is a corvette (flagged, and offhand the FREDname is rebcorvette or somesuch), so it's all rather open as to what a frigate would do if such a thing existed.  Especially as the Iceni was, er, an asteroid at the start of its life, which presumably is not a common feature.

[NGTM-1R]

The definition most people seem to adopt for frigate is either "special-purpose ship" or "destroyer minus fighterbay".

[Colonol Dekker]

Dang FS2 conventions, Before i played this i was an advocate of Cruiser being larger than Destroyer, thats just Real life playing its part though..

Off topic slightly, how would you guys rate ship class by size, Biggest first..
EG..


Dreadnought
Cruiser
Carrier
Battleship
Destroyer
Frigate
Corvette
Gunboat (gunships fly dont they? )
Patrol craft
Lifeboat
Dinghy
Life Jacket




Thats how my hierarchy would be..

[aldo_14]

Destroyer sounds cooler than Cruiser, though.

(hence why we have FS' arse-backwardness approach, I reckon.  NB: isn't there a former navy bloke listed in the credits in the instructions as an advisor?)

[Sarafan]

Battleship
Carrier
Cruiser
Destroyer
Gunboat
Fighter craft

This is how I would rate. I didnt take this from real life but from those damnable 80's space opera animes (a certain Legend of Galactic Heroes mainly).

[Colonol Dekker]

In credits (credits.tbl check anyone?) It mentions a commander of some description IIRC.
Good catch Aldo..

FS2talage aside, i never take game hierarchy that seriously, otherwise HW wouldave broken my brain years ago..

[TrashMan]

Dang FS2 conventions, Before i played this i was an advocate of Cruiser being larger than Destroyer, thats just Real life playing its part though..

Off topic slightly, how would you guys rate ship class by size, Biggest first..
EG..


Dreadnought
Cruiser
Carrier
Battleship
Destroyer
Frigate
Corvette
Gunboat (gunships fly dont they? )
Patrol craft
Lifeboat
Dinghy
Life Jacket
patrol boat



Thats how my hierarchy would be..

Interesting...dingy

You listed a Battleship below cruiser? Dreadnought at the top? ???

This is how I would lsit them:

Heavy Carrier
Battleship
Dreadnought
Carrier
Battlecruiser
Cruiser
Light carrier
Frigate
Corvette

???Destroyer??? - the only thing I'm not sure where to put..

[Wanderer]

My version, all with options for different namings according to the designers preferance and perceived mission...

Capital ships (or main combatants):
Battleship/Dreadnought
Heavy Cruiser/Battlecruiser
Cruiser/Strike Cruiser
Frigate/Destroyer
Corvette/Gunboat/Missileboat

Carriers are imo sort of separate but arranged in similar way:
Fleet Carrier/Heavy Carrier
Carrier/Strike Carrier
Escort Carrier/Light Carrier

[Black Wolf]

As far as Freespace goes, Doesn't a Frigate fill the gap between cruiser and corvette, or is the Iceni a bit bigger than a corvette?

Iceni is over a kilometer wrong, so yeah, bit bigger. I think a frigate is just any relatively small ship with a specific, non-combat primary purpose, but is still armed and employed by a military organization. Thus the Hippocrates is a medical frigate (It's called frigate2t-01.pof and I think its called a medical frigate ingame somewhere too (though, truth be told, thinking from a computer game designers POV, I suspect that comes more from its resemblance to a Nebulon B, the medical frigate from Star Wars), the Iceni is a command frigate, etc.

[aldo_14]

As far as Freespace goes, Doesn't a Frigate fill the gap between cruiser and corvette, or is the Iceni a bit bigger than a corvette?

Iceni is over a kilometer wrong, so yeah, bit bigger. I think a frigate is just any relatively small ship with a specific, non-combat primary purpose, but is still armed and employed by a military organization. Thus the Hippocrates is a medical frigate (It's called frigate2t-01.pof and I think its called a medical frigate ingame somewhere too (though, truth be told, thinking from a computer game designers POV, I suspect that comes more from its resemblance to a Nebulon B, the medical frigate from Star Wars), the Iceni is a command frigate, etc.

Except IIRC you also get Strike Cruisers (the, er, Shivan one that carries fighters), so....maybe best not to over-analyze it