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Unless you think that there is no good reason to follow christian morality and say that seeing a woman naked is a sin.

As far as I'm concerned if a woman wants to show her tits then there is nothing morally wrong with looking at them. If you're in a relationship then it's up to the two of you to set the boundries where ever you want.
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It's a choice based on personal preferences, both to show your private parts, and to look at other people's.
That's what I dislike so much about Christian fundamentalists. They bring religion into everything, calling everything that isn't stated in the Bible as a sin.

Of course, that's my personal opinion.

 

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Originally posted by Unknown Target
....That's what I dislike so much about Christian fundamentalists. They bring religion into everything, calling everything that isn't stated in the Bible as a sin.

Of course, that's my personal opinion.


And it's an opinion that I share. But, as I'm sure UT is well aware, it's not only Christian fundamentalists that do it, Muslim and Jewish fundamentalists do it as well.

And the concept of sin, as I define it as the act of doing something so horrible it invites divine retribution from God himself, is one that I find completely ludicrous.

But then again, I'm an atheist, so go figure. And I'm a lawyer, too, so I know all about abiding by the law; I just think the law becomes too easily perverted (especially) when it's used as a basis for enforcing morality. The law is NOT a moral tool, folks, especially here in the USA. There's a reason we have a First Amendment forbidding the mixture of church and state.

I still remember the flap that happened a few weeks ago when Bush was asked if Muslims and Christians worshipped the same God and Bush said essentially yes. The Christian evangelicals threw a huge hissy fit and complained that Muslims "worship only an idol. WE worship the real thing." They also said, "well, the President made a mistake and isn't a theologian, so we'll forgive him this gaffe."

One major reason I became an atheist was because I got so sick and tired of each religion shouting that it was the One True Faith. I basically decided that they're all a bunch of incompetent, intolerant, sadomasochist bastards who don't know the first thing about treating everybody equally regardless of religion, skin color or sexual orientation.

Besides, I got better things to do on my Sunday mornings than sit in a boring, stuffy room with a bunch of other people listening to another tired cliche, fire-and-brimstone sermon about how we're all destined to go to hell "because we're all sinners." Like sleeping in, for one.

I hate the concept of sin because it implies that we are all fundamentally flawed from birth. Bullsh*t. I have done nothing to warrant going to hell. I'm not a murderer or a madman or a rapist. I have nothing to atone for. And the concept that I have to atone for myself just because I was born is total crap. The idea that Man "fell" from a state of divine "grace" is nothing but a farcical illusion. We descended from monkeys, peeps. Monkeys don't have a concept of grace. Religion says we were at a high state when we were first created, then fell to a lower one and have been trying (and mostly failing) to make up for it ever since. Evolution says that we started out as a lower form of life and have been gaining knowledge and wisdom ever since. Which concept better sustains your self-esteem and self-worth?

F*ck all religions, I say. If your faith sustains you, great. When my mom got sick with cancer, her faith kept her strong enough to fight for five years, so I know firsthand how faith can make people stronger.

But the moment anyone tries to use his religion to justify making another group of people into second class citizens (like women, gays, minorities or "non-believers") is the same moment that I sue that person for discrimination. Or it's the same moment I cheer on the deaths of Muslim fundamentalists who fight on behalf of Osama bin laden. Either one is good. *shrugs*

*Rant mode disengaged*

Note to UT: I wasn't ranting at anything you said, I was just ranting NEAR you. Your comment just reminded me why I hate religions in general.
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What really annoyed me about this was that when american POW's were shown on Iraqi TV it was a breach of the Geneva Convention. When it was Iraqis, that was fine.


The Geneva Convention applied to prisoners of war. Uday and Qusay were killed outright, not taken prisoner.

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I still remember the flap that happened a few weeks ago when Bush was asked if Muslims and Christians worshipped the same God and Bush said essentially yes. The Christian evangelicals threw a huge hissy fit and complained that Muslims "worship only an idol. WE worship the real thing." They also said, "well, the President made a mistake and isn't a theologian, so we'll forgive him this gaffe."


He said that? I'm shocked. It might be the smartest thing he ever said.

Any theologian who studies judeochristian and muslim dogma knows, as a matter of fact, they DO worship the same God.

I'm with you, Su, on most of what you said, though I'm not an atheist.
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Apparently you're not allowed to show close-ups of POWs' faces. A shot of a crowd of 'em is fine. Some thing about the relatives possibly seeing the pictures and learning about a soldier's captivity that way. IIRC, the Merkins stuck to this rule pretty much. I do remember thinking 'aren't they breaking their own rules?', but I'm not certain having learned that fact that the Merkins did broadcast close-ups of POws. And certainly, for what it's worth, the Iraqis did it first and did it hell of a lot more.

 

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Ok, from Janet's boob to religion...? :p

Anywayz, whats the big deal? I mean a boob! It's that round thing (ok, at least it's supposed to be roundish) on a woman's chest. I see all kinds of stuff happening in the US about this so-called 'outrage' but really... whats all the fuss about? Again: a boob.

Ow, I'm so glad I live in Holland :D At least here we think: "A boob on TV... Ok, is something else on?" I usually think that unless boobs are within arms length, they're just... boobs... No big deal :p
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Personally, I am disgusted not because it's a boob but because it's an exceptionally hideous boob with a big ugly nipple ring on it.:p

Janet Jackson's breasts are too aestheticaly offensive to be shown on TV.
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The problem lies in the fact that, like it or not, every station that aired the Superbowl halftime show was in effect in violation of the contractual agreement they signed on to when they took out a broadcast license, and none of them knew it was coming.  I will also state that I find little wrong with the content, provided there is some sort of restriction on who is watching.  By performing a lude act on a nationally (live) aired event, even if it was showing a little skin, was terribly disrespectful to the morals of their audience (I have some major qualms with basketball fans at University of Maryland games for the same reasons, but that doesn't belong on this board).  That doesn't mean that everyone watching was or should have been offended by what happened, it simply means that some of the audience was and they were not given fair warning that it was coming.  No "kids, cover your eyes" for the conservative families out there, not even a notice that said the broadcast would contain a sexually suggestive performance, and that is a problem.  I mean, that's not the sort of thing you want your 11-year-old kid watching.  It's the Superbowl, the most-watched TV show in America, not some late night, semi-porn flick.  There is a difference.
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The Geneva Convention applied to prisoners of war. Uday and Qusay were killed outright, not taken prisoner.


And what about their daddy dearest? The man is a complete scumbag but considering how loudly the americans complained when Saddam paraded their soldiers on the TV I found it a little rich of them to do the same thing to him.

DG : I don't know what war footage you saw but I clearly remember seeing footage of Iraqi soldiers surrendering and being searched on national TV. If you had known the guy you certainly could have recognised him.

Strat : That's pretty much my feelings on the matter. I don't particularly like seeing nudity on TV at the wrong time. If I want to see a naked woman I've got a broadband connection to the internet. I don't particularly want to be sitting watching TV with grandma and see that sort of thing :D
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The man is a complete scumbag but considering how loudly the americans complained when Saddam paraded their soldiers on the TV I found it a little rich of them to do the same thing to him.
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I don't know what war footage you saw but I clearly remember seeing footage of Iraqi soldiers surrendering and being searched on national TV. If you had known the guy you certainly could have recognised him.

Me neither. It was nearly a year ago. I remember seeing wide-angle shots of a row of guys, or guys lying on their faces as they were being made prisoner. Which is why I said I wasn't sure if they did or did not show anti-Geneva pictures.

 

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And what about their daddy dearest? The man is a complete scumbag but considering how loudly the americans complained when Saddam paraded their soldiers on the TV I found it a little rich of them to do the same thing to him.
 



That's a little different, actually.
Why?

A) The US soldiers were just regular soldiers, nothing special about them. Also, they were forced to read lines stating that Iraq is superior or whatever, I'm not sure.

B) The US soldiers were beaten. Sadam was not. He was poked and prodded (to ascertain his health), but not beaten.

C) The US does not parade capture Iraqi POWs, does it?
EDIT: In the fasion Sadam did, I mean.
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IT doesn't matter who was beaten and who wasn't. Showing them at all is the violation.

And lets move back to Janet's boob: Why is it okay to show DENNIS FRANZ FAT NASTY HAIRY NAKED ASS on NYPD Blue, but Janet's boob is bad? Don't give me the 'most watched show' thing, because NYPD Blue gets syndication and reruns and is in primetime most of the year. And it wasn't even just one shot of his ass. It was several.
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On the Dennis Franz thing, there appears to be something that makes people want to see disgusting things or people being embarassed. That, really, is the source of many of the shows on TV, especially all of the reality shows.

The reason why it doesn't make as big of a splash is because they warn you about it before it happens. The Janet Jackson thing? No warning.

Personally, I feel the real problem with that halftime show was that the music was horrible.
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Ah, so having warning makes it better?

In that case, Jackson's statement before the Superbowl that she had something interesting in mind should have been plenty of warning.
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On the Dennis Franz thing, there appears to be something that makes people want to see disgusting things or people being embarassed. That, really, is the source of many of the shows on TV, especially all of the reality shows.

The reason why it doesn't make as big of a splash is because they warn you about it before it happens. The Janet Jackson thing? No warning.

Personally, I feel the real problem with that halftime show was that the music was horrible.


What? You expect MTV's music to NOT be horrible?:wtf:
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I got so caught up in my anti-religion rant, I forgot to rant about Janet Jackson's boob.

Brace yourself while I take a deep breath in preparation for my rant.

*takes a deep breath*

I didn't watch the half-time show. As soon as it came on, I switched to CNN to see the MoveOn.org Bush deficit ad that CBS refused to air during the halftime show because CBS said it was "too controversial."

(Incidentally, if you want to see the ad, you can find it here. Just look for the "Child's pay" ad on the upper left of the screen. If anyone can find ANYTHING controversial about this ad, please tell me.)

So, because of CBS's desire to avoid controversy, instead of seeing a relatively harmless political ad about 10-year olds working off the national debt, we got commercials about flatulent horses and erectile dysfunction and a halftime show featuring crappy pop music lyricizing mostly about teens having sex and also (inadvertently?) featuring Janet Jackson's boob, all while 14 million children were watching.

Man, I LOVE irony.

Personally, I think everyone's overreacting about this whole boob thing; I couldn't really care less. I tried to watch the rest of the Super Bowl but lost interest by the end of the 3rd quarter and went back to doing something far more worthwhile with my time: I played Freelancer.

All the same, I can't help but feel CBS deserved this controversy because they squelched the Reagan miniseres when conservatives complained that it was an insult to Reagan and they squelched the MoveOn.org ad. Basically, CBS is turning into FOX, but with significantly less testicular fortitude. (And all the evidence I've seen tells me that Dan Rather doesn't even have any balls, if indeed he ever had them.) Whatever, with the exception of "The Simpsons," it's not like I watch anything on either channel; they both suck.

CBS tried to sidestep a piece of dog-turd and wound up falling into a cesspool instead. Whoopsie! :wtf: :hopping: :lol: :p :rolleyes:

EDIT: Oh, yeah, I forgot to mention that the FCC is going to investigate the boob incident and see if any laws were broken. If so, CBS and MTV could get fined something fierce.

Gee, maybe my geopolitical priorities are out of step with the rest of the American public, but couldn't we find a better use for spending that taxpayer money? Like, say, oh gee, I don't know, finding Osama bin Laden???? :hopping: :nervous: :hopping:
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You could just as easily take the other end of the stick and say he had it comming


And the Iraqis in Saddam's government could just as easily argue that any soldier captured fighting a war against them several thousend miles from home when Iraq posed no real threat to the US also had it coming.

That's why the convention bans all such displays. So that political rhetoric can't be used to sidestep the issue that it is a violation.
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