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EDIT: Once the server gets upgraded to 1.7.x, I plan on utilizing the new flexible sizing of Nether portals to build a public gold farm in the server's spawn chunks. That should mean it will run whenever a player is anywhere in the overworld, which should result in good amounts over time.

EDIT 2: I just outlined the 12x12 spawn chunks for our map. There's a glass border running around the perimeter, with a single bedrock block in each of the corners, at an altitude of y=100. I suggest any fully-automated farms in that area be geared to handle overflow. :)

How does this work exactly?
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Hmm..didnt' know that zombies don't de-spawn if they are holding something.

Time to clean house..apparently.

I haven't been on for a while. Last time I tried I couldn't connect because I updated MC.
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Trashman, it should be easy to switch between versions now in the launcher at the bottom-left at Edit Profile. At Use Version the drop-down box should have the older versions listed and able to be picked.

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How does this work exactly?

The technicalities are beyond me; I only know enough to exploit it. Apparently any time someone is logged in and is in the overworld (I.e. not Nether or End), a 12x12 area of chunks (each being 16x16m of course) is kept loaded in the server's memory. In that area, Redstone continues to run, item despawn timers keep ticking down, farms continue to grow, etc. Mob farms are more problematic, since mobs don't spawn beyond a certain distance from a player, and almost instantaneously despawn beyond an even shorter distance. Hmm... that means a gold farm there based on zombie pigmen wouldn't work after all. Oh well.
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Here's where I got most of my info on spawn chunks:

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"...The quintessential quality of our age is that of dreams coming true. Just think of it. For centuries we have dreamt of flying; recently we made that come true: we have always hankered for speed; now we have speeds greater than we can stand: we wanted to speak to far parts of the Earth; we can: we wanted to explore the sea bottom; we have: and so  on, and so on: and, too, we wanted the power to smash our enemies utterly; we have it. If we had truly wanted peace, we should have had that as well. But true peace has never been one of the genuine dreams - we have got little further than preaching against war in order to appease our consciences. The truly wishful dreams, the many-minded dreams are now irresistible - they become facts." - 'The Outward Urge' by John Wyndham

"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill

 

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1.8 snapshots just started coming out, and they include slime blocks.  Which you can bounce on.  Do waaaaant.

 

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EDIT 2: I just outlined the 12x12 spawn chunks for our map. There's a glass border running around the perimeter, with a single bedrock block in each of the corners, at an altitude of y=100. I suggest any fully-automated farms in that area be geared to handle overflow. :)

Ya no, they'll just be destroyed. Repeatedly, and daily. By me.

You are either attending it, or it does not exist. End of story.

Besides that you assume vanilla. The server is not vanilla, it is bukkit, and we use Multiverse on top of that which is a seperate world handler with different chunk rules.
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Besides that you assume vanilla. The server is not vanilla, it is bukkit, and we use Multiverse on top of that which is a seperate world handler with different chunk rules.

Ah, hadn't even occurred to me that Bukkit would be different in that regard.
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"...The quintessential quality of our age is that of dreams coming true. Just think of it. For centuries we have dreamt of flying; recently we made that come true: we have always hankered for speed; now we have speeds greater than we can stand: we wanted to speak to far parts of the Earth; we can: we wanted to explore the sea bottom; we have: and so  on, and so on: and, too, we wanted the power to smash our enemies utterly; we have it. If we had truly wanted peace, we should have had that as well. But true peace has never been one of the genuine dreams - we have got little further than preaching against war in order to appease our consciences. The truly wishful dreams, the many-minded dreams are now irresistible - they become facts." - 'The Outward Urge' by John Wyndham

"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill

 

Offline KyadCK

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Besides that you assume vanilla. The server is not vanilla, it is bukkit, and we use Multiverse on top of that which is a seperate world handler with different chunk rules.

Ah, hadn't even occurred to me that Bukkit would be different in that regard.

Bukkit itself isn't, but Multiverse is a world handler that allow minecraft to have infinate worlds as long as you provide some way to get to them.

It allso allows you to control many things world related, including keeping the spawn chunks loaded or not.
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Ah, gotcha.
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill

 
I think another reason I haven't been playing is that it's almost impossible to get all my mods lined up and working at the same time.
I just want optifine and rei's minimap, but they're both slow to update, and I don't even know how to use optifine now that it's not a simple .7z file. And I don't think Rei has updated officially since 1.6.4 and I have some waypoints saved and I don't want to lose them.

 

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Ah, gotcha.

Also I hope you realize that by making that glass pillar you basicly condemned everyone who hasn't slept in a bed to eternal entrapment on your platform.

I fixed it.

I think another reason I haven't been playing is that it's almost impossible to get all my mods lined up and working at the same time.
I just want optifine and rei's minimap, but they're both slow to update, and I don't even know how to use optifine now that it's not a simple .7z file. And I don't think Rei has updated officially since 1.6.4 and I have some waypoints saved and I don't want to lose them.

When Optifine fixes compatability it can just be done through Forge Loader.

Basicly you just download the Forge and LiteMod installers, run Forge, modify the thing, run Lite, check "with forge", and then all the mods just go in the mods folder.

I've got TabbyChat, Macro/keybind, WE-CUI, Optifine and a few others loaded that way.
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What are the more interesting mods or modpacks to use?

I've been watching yogscast vids of them playing yogcraft or tekkirt or the moon-based one or whatever and that got me a little interested in some of this stuff but when I checked it out online the amount of mods and so forth seemed pretty confusing.

 

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Also I hope you realize that by making that glass pillar you basicly condemned everyone who hasn't slept in a bed to eternal entrapment on your platform.

I fixed it.

Really? It's a spawn point, not a 20x20 spawn area?
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill

 

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Also I hope you realize that by making that glass pillar you basicly condemned everyone who hasn't slept in a bed to eternal entrapment on your platform.

I fixed it.

Really? It's a spawn point, not a 20x20 spawn area?

Yup.

The radius around the point is anti-interaction protection, not a spawn field. MC uses exact cords for spawning, and won't put people inside blocks.
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The radius around the point is anti-interaction protection, not a spawn field. MC uses exact cords for spawning, and won't put people inside blocks.

Not vanilla MC from my understanding... that video I posted up above shows that anywhere in the 20x20 area is valid for respawning...
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill

 

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The radius around the point is anti-interaction protection, not a spawn field. MC uses exact cords for spawning, and won't put people inside blocks.

Not vanilla MC from my understanding... that video I posted up above shows that anywhere in the 20x20 area is valid for respawning...
If that's true, it's changed very recently; it was exceedingly common to set up traps that relied on knowing the exact block new players would spawn.
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The radius around the point is anti-interaction protection, not a spawn field. MC uses exact cords for spawning, and won't put people inside blocks.

Not vanilla MC from my understanding... that video I posted up above shows that anywhere in the 20x20 area is valid for respawning...

And is completely invalid for the server, as well as just about every server larger than "basement server" status.

The server is not vanilla. As a result, get the concept of anything vanilla out of your mind before applying it to the server. You can do /pl to see the plugins in use, and we're based on bukkit.

The radius around the point is anti-interaction protection, not a spawn field. MC uses exact cords for spawning, and won't put people inside blocks.

Not vanilla MC from my understanding... that video I posted up above shows that anywhere in the 20x20 area is valid for respawning...
If that's true, it's changed very recently; it was exceedingly common to set up traps that relied on knowing the exact block new players would spawn.

Not that it mattered if you left spawn protection on (which is default) or used a proper guarding tool for spawn, as is the case in most places.

Bigger concern was unjumpable trenches around said protection.
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Somehow my account on playmindcrack.com got banned, reason "Badfellowship" :( I just spent the past 1h20 writing an appeal letter.

My best guess is someone complained about me raging too much in the chat, but if that's it then they should've complained to me first :(



Edit: this thread isn't strictly limited to discussion of qazwsx's server, right?