[Paladin327]

Too bad the colossus didn't get a chance to go through the knossos. It was busy cleaning up ntf while A1 and much smaller ships were in there. Colossus would have been able to hold it's own for a good long while in there and explore further.

I disagree. The Colossus, with its enormous size, its logistical requirements, and its lack of subspace manoeuvrability (as evidenced by its inability to jump out to avoid Koth's ram), would have been a rather vulnerable target in the nebula.

I guess that's one of the reasons why the GTVA mostly deployed the more advanced and "flexible" classes of warships through the portal, leaving some of the old but still useful ones behind.

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the colly not being able to jump out can be explained by the jump drive not being fully charged to jump

Khonsu II: Together we built a civilization on the ruins of the Great War, and now we stand on the threshold of a new era of prosperity and harmony. With Project Colossus, the Vasudan people celebrate our shared covenant of peaceful co-existence and mutual defense of our Terran allies.

the Colly was not a terran warship, its a terran and vasudan warship. colly was more of a well armed symbol of the unity between the species that faced utter destruction of their entire civilizations and survived.

i read somewhere, it might have been the colossus cutscene, it states that colly's crew compliment is 30,000. it has 5 orions worth of firepower combined, which, when fully crewed equals 50,000 crew. orions are also expensive. "they cost more to build then it does cost more to build the ship than to pay the crew for 3 years (fs2 tech room i believe)

another reason for a colossus type ship: when she shows up, allied pilots, and naval crew know the battle wil be over soon. aside from the initial "oh sh*t!" mindset, the NTF changed their tactics to acomidate the colossus.

another reason for the colossus: the colossus is to destroyers as the Deimos/sobek is to cruisers. it was designed for one job: popping destroyers, which it does very well

[headdie]

Too bad the colossus didn't get a chance to go through the knossos. It was busy cleaning up ntf while A1 and much smaller ships were in there. Colossus would have been able to hold it's own for a good long while in there and explore further.

I disagree. The Colossus, with its enormous size, its logistical requirements, and its lack of subspace manoeuvrability (as evidenced by its inability to jump out to avoid Koth's ram), would have been a rather vulnerable target in the nebula.

I guess that's one of the reasons why the GTVA mostly deployed the more advanced and "flexible" classes of warships through the portal, leaving some of the old but still useful ones behind.

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the colly not being able to jump out can be explained by the jump drive not being fully charged to jump

there is also the matter of room needed to jump out in

[-Norbert-]

Or because in 9 out of 10 cases the Orion is blasted to bits before it reaches the Colossus and even if it hits, it does only little damage.

Why jump out and risk Admiral Koth being able to escape when there is as good as no risk at all of losing the Colossus even if the Orion manages to ram it?

[QuantumDelta]

Oh no......not again

[Dilmah G]

Why jump out and risk Admiral Koth being able to escape when there is as good as no risk at all of losing the Colossus even if the Orion manages to ram it?

Exactly. The whole point of the Operation was to neutralize the Repulse. The Colossus' CO would probably have faced the chopping board if he jumped.

Too bad the colossus didn't get a chance to go through the knossos. It was busy cleaning up ntf while A1 and much smaller ships were in there. Colossus would have been able to hold it's own for a good long while in there and explore further.

The Colossus is waaaaaay too large to go Dora-The-Explorer through the portal. It may have been good however to neutralize Ravana class vessels and any Molochs pilots and PWOs get fed up with. Although it might be a good idea to keep the Colossus out of most engagements, since the Shivans might have started to accommodate the Colossus into their strategy (earlier).

[Androgeos Exeunt]

Now I'm reminded of an ancient Inferno joke about the Shivans being unable to haul their Gigas or Gargant through the Knossos...

[S-99]

We're forgetting how well armed the colossus is, how many fighter and bomber wings it houses, and the fact that it fits through the knossos fine.

I'd give the colossus some deimoses for escort at least.

[IronForge]

Now imagine a FLEET of collosi.
It is only reasonable that after building one, they will build more when they have more resources. Which will likely happen if given another 5 years they will strip mine all resources avaliable.
Also, one ship is a LOT easier to manage than one fleet.

[S-99]

Great way to drive up the economy in post fs2. That'd provide a lot of jobs.

[QuantumDelta]

Now imagine a FLEET of collosi.
It is only reasonable that after building one, they will build more when they have more resources. Which will likely happen if given another 5 years they will strip mine all resources avaliable.
Also, one ship is a LOT easier to manage than one fleet.

Fleet of Collosi....that lose to an inferior number of Sathanii.... Yea.
Based on Command's logic they would be building something to stop Sathanii.

[Dilmah G]

Yeah, possibly some better beam technology as well.

[NGTM-1R]

Now imagine a FLEET of collosi.
It is only reasonable that after building one, they will build more when they have more resources. Which will likely happen if given another 5 years they will strip mine all resources avaliable.
Also, one ship is a LOT easier to manage than one fleet.

Circumstances have changed. In addition to its stated role of taking down the Lucifer if another one showed up, the Colossus is clearly based on Great War experience where the Shivans only fought for jump nodes. When the Colossus was concieved of and even at the time of its first combat deployment, there was every reason to believe the GTVA would need a linebreaker in the next war with the Shivans, because there was every reason to believe that the next war would have an offensive stage.

This is no longer the case. But even if it is, the GTVA has a new and better way of taking down blockades: meson bombs.

[-Norbert-]

I think the Colossus would have been ill suited to explore beyond the nebula.
You remember that big convoy of supplies you had to get through NTF contested space? Now imagine getting such convoys through the nebula....

With the limited sensor ranges (even with AWACS support) the supply lines are too exposed to risk sending her deep into the nebula, much less into the system beyond the second knossos.

[S-99]

The nebula is full of gas the colli can use. Then again, all those transports for the colli was for a big preparation for the colli intended for a big sustained crippling of the ntf. We've never had missions with such transports for destroyers before. Who knows how often they need them let alone the colli. This is something that's rather big to speculate on, sort of like subspace drive recharge time.

Sensor range in the nebula wasn't that bad. Yeah you'll get an awacs in there of course, but even still, otherwise other ships in the nebular theater would have pulled out too. In fs2 we do get to escort a lane of transports into the nebula. For the most part, that was easier than doing the transports for the colli. Then again, the shivans really have some **** fighters, weapons, and fighter tactics. I only give respect to the shivans awesome big ships, all their bombers, and the mara, dragon, and astartoth (only problem with the astaroth is that it seems rather ineffective when in the wrong situation, it really seems the shivans have an interceptor for nothing). But bombers going after a transport convoy? That's a little over kill for the shivans and they always do it; not hard to take down big bullseyes.

[Dilmah G]

I think the Colossus would have been ill suited to explore beyond the nebula.
You remember that big convoy of supplies you had to get through NTF contested space? Now imagine getting such convoys through the nebula....

With the limited sensor ranges (even with AWACS support) the supply lines are too exposed to risk sending her deep into the nebula, much less into the system beyond the second knossos.

Well, it's quite simply summed up in the fact that

The GTVA Colossus is not a scout.

The GTVA Colossus is an anti Super-Destroyer Weapon. It is also quite adept at engaging vessels of Destroyer class and under. It should be used in that role where other vessels fail, rather than much else. And with subspace, it can reside fairly nicely by the node, right where it can get plenty of supplies from GTVA space, and jump where it's needed when the boys and girls need some heavy firepower.

[-Norbert-]

I agree. I was replying to this post

Too bad the colossus didn't get a chance to go through the knossos. It was busy cleaning up ntf while A1 and much smaller ships were in there. Colossus would have been able to hold it's own for a good long while in there and explore further.

from S-99. I guess I should have put the quote in.

[Paladin327]

The Colossus does one thing and does it well: kill destroyers. since there's nothing like tracking for beams, it completely raped the NTCv Hawkwood, popped the NTD Repulse, the NTD Andronicus, NTCv Congreve, NTCv Danton. all at full hull strength. and it killed the SD Beast when disabled and at 66% hull

[Aardwolf]

Ah, but the Knossos had been destroyed the one time we got to see either of those ships make the jump.

[S-99]

Oh well, they both still fit. Not to mention, in the binary star system beyond knossos 2, all those sathani were using knossos 3 to get to the binary system, to get to the nebula...etc.

I wasn't thinking of treating the colossus as a replacement in the nebula, more like something much better than a flag ship destroyer. But, yes, too bad it didn't happen. The gtva would do it in a heart beat if the ntf conflict had been squelched pretty good before anybody went into the nebula (but unfortunately the colossus was busy).

The colossus was the gtva's most powerful weapon, they know nasty shivans are in the nebula, if the colossus hadn't been busy eating lunch (ntf destroyers), then it'd be in there.

[Dilmah G]

You've got to be careful not to overcommit the Colossus. Else the Shivans might start deploying the Sathanas heavily in an effort to draw out the Colossus in response. And we both know who wins out of the Colly and Sath (ceteris paribus).