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Offline Dragon

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Re: Wing Commander 6: The Undiscovered Release Date (Star Citizen Thread)
[...]seeing how most religions actually promote things that are altruistic and benefitial to their communities
So, hating gays, denying evolution, disparaging women, opposing abortion and promoting intolerance are good and altruistic? Come over the border, listen to our priests and you'll see that. Organized religions are selling a promise even more vague and illusory than Roberts, demanding money, time and public endorsement in return. If they were treated like regular businesses, many of their strategies would be on low end of the ethics scale. They do preach some useful things and run charities (though many "fat cats" have a foundation of their own, too), but that are about the only redeeming qualities.

If you got rid of all the charlatans in Catholicism, you'd be left with the monks, a handful of mid and low level clergymen and the current Pope. Most of these charlatans do believe in what they preach, but that doesn't stop them from being greedy bastards (yay for hypocrisy!). These days, religion is peddled like any other product. This applies more to "new age" religions than the old ones (which at least pretend they aren't), but applies nonetheless.
Predatory marketing strategies are bad, no matter why you pursue them. Selling people their own dreams is never a moral or ethical choice for a business to make, no matter how deeply convinced people are that what they're doing is right.
They're not selling people their own dreams, they're selling them Roberts' dream. That people appear to have been dreaming about the same thing as him is a factor in their success, but Roberts wanted this as far back as the time he made Freelancer. He himself believes that this dream is possible to achieve. Whether this is true is not certain (and I don't think so), but the important thing is that Roberts didn't start this with the expectation that the project will peter out and he'll be able to run off with the money. He could've easily done it long ago instead of sinking that money back into this juggernaut, if that was the case. You may question his judgement, but not his intentions.

Also, any scheme in which you pre-purchase something is a gamble. If you pre-purchase the latest CoD, you also buy a promise of a working game with gameplay you'll actually like. Granted, in their case odds are much better, but the principle is the same. Roberts is promising that various things will be "fun", but that's a rather vague thing which means different things for different people. Indeed, a quite likely end result for SC is a game that technically does most things it promised, but just isn't terribly fun to play. Maybe there are people out there who like the buggy mess SC (just check out Kerbal Space Program. Hang out long enough on the forum and you'll run into someone who complains about straight bugfixes because he learned how to exploit a particular bug).
"Roberts et al are taking advantage of people's generosity" is the nice way to put it. What is actually happening is that they're taking advantage of people's gullibility. Just because people let themselves be charmed into throwing money at this project doesn't mean that what CIG is doing is morally right.
TBH, I think much more of generous people than gullible ones. A generous person might give them money against his better judgement because he likes making people happy. A gullible person would give them money because he has no better judgement. Take a guess which one is more likely to be intelligent.

 
Re: Wing Commander 6: The Undiscovered Release Date (Star Citizen Thread)
I'm confused I thought this was the Star Citizen thread
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Offline Unknown Target

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Re: Wing Commander 6: The Undiscovered Release Date (Star Citizen Thread)
Back on topic please. GD is a good place to discuss religion. Not here.

 

Offline Spoon

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****ing hell guys, stop stinking the thread up, what is wrong with you?
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Offline Spoon

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Re: Wing Commander 6: The Undiscovered Release Date (Star Citizen Thread)
And with that I mean, don't engage Dragon in bad posts.
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[02:42] <@Axem> spoon somethings wrong
[02:42] <@Axem> critically wrong
[02:42] <@Axem> im happy with these missions now
[02:44] <@Axem> well
[02:44] <@Axem> with 2 of them

 

Offline Colonol Dekker

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Re: Wing Commander 6: The Undiscovered Release Date (Star Citizen Thread)
I for one would pay handsomely for dawn jpegs. 
Campaigns I've added my distinctiveness to-
- Blue Planet: Battle Captains
-Battle of Neptune
-Between the Ashes 2
-Blue planet: Age of Aquarius
-FOTG?
-Inferno R1
-Ribos: The aftermath / -Retreat from Deneb
-Sol: A History
-TBP EACW teaser
-Earth Brakiri war
-TBP Fortune Hunters (I think?)
-TBP Relic
-Trancsend (Possibly?)
-Uncharted Territory
-Vassagos Dirge
-War Machine
(Others lost to the mists of time and no discernible audit trail)

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I for one would pay handsomely for dawn jpegs. 
Maybe I should exploit this business opportunity...
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[02:42] <@Axem> spoon somethings wrong
[02:42] <@Axem> critically wrong
[02:42] <@Axem> im happy with these missions now
[02:44] <@Axem> well
[02:44] <@Axem> with 2 of them

 

Offline Col. Fishguts

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Re: Wing Commander 6: The Undiscovered Release Date (Star Citizen Thread)
To get back on topic.

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Offline StarSlayer

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Re: Wing Commander 6: The Undiscovered Release Date (Star Citizen Thread)
“Think lightly of yourself and deeply of the world”

 
Re: Wing Commander 6: The Undiscovered Release Date (Star Citizen Thread)
Did he die of a crushed pelvis?

If the space Winnebago is a-rockin', don't come a-knockin'.

 

Offline Mongoose

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Did he die of a crushed pelvis?
One of those rare moments when I wish to God we had a like/kudos system.

 

Offline Cobra

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Re: Wing Commander 6: The Undiscovered Release Date (Star Citizen Thread)
Maybe I should exploit this business opportunity...

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Offline Spoon

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Re: Wing Commander 6: The Undiscovered Release Date (Star Citizen Thread)
More business opportunities  ;7
(what can one buy with 5 million fun bucks?)


So some more leaks from the SA poster called theagent: http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=26.msg1078#msg1078
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[02:42] <@Axem> spoon somethings wrong
[02:42] <@Axem> critically wrong
[02:42] <@Axem> im happy with these missions now
[02:44] <@Axem> well
[02:44] <@Axem> with 2 of them

 

Offline Luis Dias

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that list of "only this will happen" is incredibly optimistic. None of that **** will work remotely well.

 

Offline The E

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Re: Wing Commander 6: The Undiscovered Release Date (Star Citizen Thread)
And yesterday, FDEV did a stream showing off the upcoming multicrew feature. Looked pretty good and seamless. Funny how they managed to make the whole process seem like a fun thing one would want to do without having to resort to scripting a couple people to spout tacticool dialogue.
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Offline Luis Dias

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Re: Wing Commander 6: The Undiscovered Release Date (Star Citizen Thread)
ED is basically trolling Star Citizen by being competent.

 

Offline Buckshee Rounds

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Re: Wing Commander 6: The Undiscovered Release Date (Star Citizen Thread)
Star Citizen is trolling everyone by demonstrating that you don't need to produce a working product to make lotsa money.

 

Offline Luis Dias

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meanwhile, Frontier Developments' employers and employees are actually enjoying good nights' sleep.

 

Offline Spoon

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https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/372011/celebrate-2-6-1-show-your-support-buy-a-chit
I am amazed reading how negative the citizens have become. It's almost like they are starting to see the light.
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[02:42] <@Axem> spoon somethings wrong
[02:42] <@Axem> critically wrong
[02:42] <@Axem> im happy with these missions now
[02:44] <@Axem> well
[02:44] <@Axem> with 2 of them

 

Offline Colonol Dekker

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Re: Wing Commander 6: The Undiscovered Release Date (Star Citizen Thread)
The cracks in Croberts psi-emitter are starting to show.

This pleases me.
Campaigns I've added my distinctiveness to-
- Blue Planet: Battle Captains
-Battle of Neptune
-Between the Ashes 2
-Blue planet: Age of Aquarius
-FOTG?
-Inferno R1
-Ribos: The aftermath / -Retreat from Deneb
-Sol: A History
-TBP EACW teaser
-Earth Brakiri war
-TBP Fortune Hunters (I think?)
-TBP Relic
-Trancsend (Possibly?)
-Uncharted Territory
-Vassagos Dirge
-War Machine
(Others lost to the mists of time and no discernible audit trail)

Your friendly Orestes tactical controller.

Secret bomb God.
That one time I got permabanned and got to read who was being bitxhy about me :p....
GO GO DEKKER RANGERSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
President of the Scooby Doo Model Appreciation Society
The only good Zod is a dead Zod
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