[Mobius]

1) Snail's not in the INF SCP. I'm not in that team, either. And Woomeister isn't going to release separate models;

2) I'm glad to notice that someone wants more Shivan firepower in battle. Expecially after reading some very stupid comments.

[Snail]

Just because they have 80 Saths doesn't mean they have to have something bigger. The Saths could have been their ultimate fleet.

But I like to go with the theory that the Shivans have 1000 juggernauts, 300 super juggernauts and 10 Gargants...

[Mobius]

Just because they have 80 Saths doesn't mean they have to have something bigger. The Saths could have been their ultimate fleet.

NOT HERE. This is the Inferno Forum!

But I like to go with the theory that the Shivans have 1000 juggernauts, 300 super juggernauts and 10 Gargants...

How can their fleet be so poor? No way!

[Snail]

100000 jugs, 30000 superjugs and 1000 Gargants then. p4wnsome. Not even the ******s could defeat them if they tried .

[Mobius]

Uh? According to you, they have nothing that exceeds Gargant specifications?

[Snail]

100000 jugs, 30000 superjugs, 1000 Gargants and 100 OMGWTFBBQSALAD ships.

[0rph3u5]

2) I'm glad to notice that someone wants more Shivan firepower in battle. Expecially after reading some very stupid comments.

This is not only my preference (1st - the Sath looks like one fat bettle; 2nd - I like good space battles and I like to do them without über-ships) but the story of WotW demands a paradigma change in the shivan tactics...


I'll try to get Woomeister for a word - he has been helpful in the past

[Mobius]

I don't know....

Try to keep your "borrowing" secret or everyone will request models

[Snail]

I doubt Woo will give it to him.

And if he does, it's unfair, and Woo will have to give it to everyone.

[Mobius]

Correct.

There are ships like Axem's Lamia which are free to use.

[0rph3u5]

Try to keep your "borrowing" secret or everyone will request models

if we get a deal done I'll...
and INFSCP will be out faster than WotW I guess (with the luck we are having about the C.s)
(I would not need to borrow stuff there would someone coming to our aid  --- I have searched for a modeller on various occasions and I didn't find anyone)

[Mobius]

As I said, there are plenties of models like Axem's Lamia. They're a fine addition to the Shivan fleet.

The Lamia is a nice anti-fighter platform, for example...

[Snail]

The LamiaRed is pretty formidable too.

[0rph3u5]

Where? Tell me where?

Here is the ships we have got for the shivans in WotW
(FS 2 fighters)
+ SF Gorgon
+ SF Familiar (tiny fagile looking interceptor - fighter beam deployment planed)
(FS 2 bombers)
(FS 2 cruisers)
+ SC Lamia (with steped up anti-cruiser abilities
SCv Moloch
SD Demon (Hemeroc variant; more hitpoints, better turret arment)
SD Ravana
SSD Lucifer (Aamon/Paktai variant; better turret arment)
SJ Tzulan (SCa Shiamak with different textures)

-bomber-, fighter- and cruiser-selection is complete-

[Snail]

Hemeroc? Aamon? Paktai? What are these variants?

[Mobius]

I have never heard of them before.

[Snail]

Neither hast I.

[0rph3u5]

What are these variants?

tbl-changes resulting in better weapons (and in the chase of the Hemeroc in better hitpoints)
they were named after the ships they will be used on

the Aamon was the Lucifer in the WotW-prologue

Spoiler:

the Hemeroc is a SD Demon which travels with the Tzulan and defends it - although it needs little defense
the Paktai (actually the name is written with an i which has two dots on it) is a Lucifer which is the one-ship-advance-fleet of the Tzulan)

[Mobius]

One moment, were these ships mentioned in a thread? Someone posted some basic schemes and asked for a modeller, right?

[0rph3u5]

One moment, were these ships mentioned in a thread? Someone posted some basic schemes and asked for a modeller, right?

As first attempt to get a modeler I posted the basic concepts for the Tzulan before it became a SCa Shiamak (it was supposed to be a SSD at that time, looked very much like a ravana) and the SC Qwor-class cruiser (which at that time was supposed to be a mobile shield generator with little arament - now it was phrased out)

there were a lot useless comments of the ships design but no modeler ever took up the work - as result kzinti and I made some attempts to model but it resulted in two catastrophies