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Offline Hudzy

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Maybe it would be possible to remove the necessity to have a star in mission. I always think it looks silly when you're in a nebula caused by an exploding star billions of years ago and there's still a star shining away in the system.

 

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em... aren't stars born in nebulas? or was that something esle?
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supernovae leave neutron stars (usually)
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Offline Hudzy

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Originally posted by PhReAk
supernovae leave neutron stars (usually)


I didn't know that. Oh well, learn something new every day :D But how about for missions that take place in a void of nothingness. The example I can think of now is in Dante's Ascension.

 

Offline Redfang

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Agreed, though it could be a little too dark in a mission where there isn't a star. :)
 
And supernovae can leave black holes too, and they can't be seen anyway.

 

Offline WMCoolmon

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Originally posted by Redfang
Agreed, though it could be a little too dark in a mission where there isn't a star. :)
 
And supernovae can leave black holes too, and they can't be seen anyway.

Well, for nebula missions a general lighting could be used, or the nebula itself could actually glow (though I suspect that would slow the game down a bit)
Especially if the Bobbau gets the lighting code working...mmmm, glowing Shivan ships ;7
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Offline Killfrenzy

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Originally posted by PhReAk
supernovae leave neutron stars (usually)


Yes, but they're not that big! You still see the orange giant that's omnipresent in every mission! :D
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Okay, here's the idea: in nebula missions, there should be ambient lighting instead of a sun, by default. The mission designer should be able to put a sun in if he wants, however.
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can't you just make a really small star, or make your own star picture that looks like nothing?

 

Offline Reaper

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Originally posted by YodaSean
can't you just make a really small star, or make your own star picture that looks like nothing?


It's possible to make sun really small... In double size of a star you see... Not big, but it still shines as it was near... :)... I use that for my Deep Space Station in SS
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Offline mikhael

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Originally posted by Redfang
Agreed, though it could be a little too dark in a mission where there isn't a star. :)
 
And supernovae can leave black holes too, and they can't be seen anyway.


Um. No.

Gravitational collapse and supernova are mutually exclusive alternate events in a star's lifetime.

A supernova is a the violent shedding of a signifigant amount of a steller mass--and with it, the warping of local space-time it engenders. Post supernova, the star has enough mass to remain metastable for a while, as either a neutron star, white/red/brown dwarf, pulsar/quasar, etc.

A collapsar, such as a black hole, is pretty much the opposite. The warping of space-time around the star is such that a supernova could not occur. The star is too massive and cannot muster the explosive power to shed its outer layers. As the particles in the stellar body fuse into heavier and heavier (on the periodic table, not weight) elements, the star begins to lose the outward pressure that keeps it from collapsing. Since heavier elements fuse with signifigantly less energy with each step up the ladder they go, culminating at the iron limit, the star collapses in on itself to form a singularity.

Black holes are very unlikely to be found in nebulae outside of very dense stellar clusters, such as the center of a galaxy. In a nebula like the ones in Freespace, you're likely to find baby stars, in ones or twos.
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Offline r0nin

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Gravitational collapse and supernova are mutually exclusive alternate events in a star's lifetime.

Huh?  I don't know where you get your information, but you are wrong about this.  In fact, a common result of a supernova is a black hole, and one of the first places that astronomers went looking for them was in nebulae.

Modern black hole theory estimates that any star more than three times the mass of our sun (the Chandrashekar limit) will still likely retain enough mass after supernova (which sheds only the outer layers of the star) to collapse into a singularity.  It's not the total amount of mass that causes the collapse (otherwise, most stars wouldn't exist in the first place), but the fact that the star no longer produces enough of a fusion reaction to withstand the already-present pull of gravity.  It is during this rapid gravitational collapse that the outer layers of the star are sloughed off in explosive fashion (that's the supernova) leaving whatever remains to stabilize into a white dwarf, a neutron star, or a black hole...
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Offline Unknown Target

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r0nin! You sly devil! What are you doinmg here:D:p?
Anyways, you're correcty, but, here's an interesting fact:
Some scientists have theorized that there may be donut-shaped black holes. If this were true, we might be living in a 5D universe.

 

Offline Nico

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That request, for me, brings another one I keep asking: the damn self illumination entry in the ships.tbl to be enabled for D3D. The first step for really cool environment lightning.
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Offline Raven2001

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Lightning??? Only have one word for you dudes: STARLANCER!!!! :)
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Offline aldo_14

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BTw, what happens if you replace the white sun pcx with a straight black image (like the reduce ambient thing, with positive lighting)?

 

Offline Nico

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her... you don't see the sun's image, that's all. What are you expecting?
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Offline Fineus

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Perhaps that the sun glow wouldn't register either - getting rid of that glow is one of the big tricks that I'd like to see happen... although there are more important things...

 

Offline Fry_Day

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Do you mean the glow, as in the semi-transparent glow like engine glows, or the flare that blinds your when you look at the sun directly?
For the blinding thing, I believe it's only commenting a few lines of code, from what I've seen of the source code

 

Offline aldo_14

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Originally posted by Fry_Day
Do you mean the glow, as in the semi-transparent glow like engine glows, or the flare that blinds your when you look at the sun directly?
For the blinding thing, I believe it's only commenting a few lines of code, from what I've seen of the source code


no, having a non-visible source of ambient light - i.e. the same as having a sun, but without the sun r the resulting lens flare.

Actually, lens flare effects could be quite neat for very gright objetcs.