[Cobra]

What's interesting is that Chris Roberts has gone on record to state in 2014 that the project received enough funding to finish the game, despite with limited scope and ambition, with $54 million raised. A "healthy cash reserve" was kept to ensure completion of the project if funding stopped. Total funding has now reached $128 million, almost two and a half times the amount two years ago. That is one hell of a cash reserve, and if my money has been "spent", as well as others' money, that suggests that the $128 million has been blown through with colossal mismanagement and that CIG relies on new backers to refund money when requested, and ultimately given.

I've sent my retort, with a warning that should a refund denial be issued, I will contact appropriate government agencies.

[Spoon]

http://gameranx.com/updates/id/65926/article/how-to-get-a-refund-in-star-citizen/

[Cobra]

You are the third person to suggest that to me despite me having found it on my own.

[Spoon]

[Lepanto]

So.

Past-his-prime older white dude. Says we're gonna build a game, it's gonna be big, it's gonna be the greatest. Charismatic, but giant ego. Can't take criticism; everything that goes wrong is someone else's fault. His proposal's not technically or financially feasible? He can paper over that with glittering generalities and empty promises (and silly hand gestures).

His supporters thought their man would overturn the Establishment, that he'd shake up the status quo. They've bought into his dream, with an unquestioning fanaticism and a shared selective reality. They'll close ranks behind their man.

But sooner or later, reality catches up. Every sane person shakes their head in horror at the trainwreck that this man started. Even some of his initial supporters see the writing on the wall and get out while they can. And everyone involved will be much poorer once he's done with them.


So yeah. People keep falling for this.

[Cobra]

So.

Past-his-prime older white dude. Says we're gonna build a game, it's gonna be big, it's gonna be the greatest. Charismatic, but giant ego. Can't take criticism; everything that goes wrong is someone else's fault. His proposal's not technically or financially feasible? He can paper over that with glittering generalities and empty promises (and silly hand gestures).

His supporters thought their man would overturn the Establishment, that he'd shake up the status quo. They've bought into his dream, with an unquestioning fanaticism and a shared selective reality. They'll close ranks behind their man.

But sooner or later, reality catches up. Every sane person shakes their head in horror at the trainwreck that this man started. Even some of his initial supporters see the writing on the wall and get out while they can. And everyone involved will be much poorer once he's done with them.


So yeah. People keep falling for this.

The political commentary nestled beside this is astoundingly accurate, to boot. Bravo.

[Sushi]

So.

Past-his-prime older white dude. Says we're gonna build a game, it's gonna be big, it's gonna be the greatest. Charismatic, but giant ego. Can't take criticism; everything that goes wrong is someone else's fault. His proposal's not technically or financially feasible? He can paper over that with glittering generalities and empty promises (and silly hand gestures).

His supporters thought their man would overturn the Establishment, that he'd shake up the status quo. They've bought into his dream, with an unquestioning fanaticism and a shared selective reality. They'll close ranks behind their man.

But sooner or later, reality catches up. Every sane person shakes their head in horror at the trainwreck that this man started. Even some of his initial supporters see the writing on the wall and get out while they can. And everyone involved will be much poorer once he's done with them.


So yeah. People keep falling for this.

I think it's taking it a *bit* too far to compare Chris Roberts with Donald Trump.

[CT27]

If Trump is CR, does that mean Derek Smart is Hillary? 

[BlueFlames]

If Chris Roberts were to grab one of the Wing Commander villains, what would he grab them by?

[Grizzly]

If Trump is CR, does that mean Derek Smart is Hillary? 

Nah, he's Ted Cruz. Hillary is more akin to David Braben.

[MikeRoz]

But I thought people like David Braben.

And if we're mapping space game devs to political candidates, why not Sean Murray to Trump?

[Black Wolf]

http://gameranx.com/updates/id/65926/article/how-to-get-a-refund-in-star-citizen/

Wow. That link has the full version of the email that Cobra got and... damn. That's some egregious ****. IANAL, but I am studying contract law at the moment. That letter is written purely to obfuscate and guilt trip people. The idea that they can't refund because they don't have your specific dollars sitting in a bank account is so ludicrousthat it can't possibly have been inserted for any purpose other than to confuse people. When you call upon a refund you're entitled to, you create a brand new liability for the merchant. It doesn't matter where your money is - they have a new debt to you, and they're obligated to pay it just as they would be any other debt.

I hope they aren't pulling this same **** here in Australia. We have very strong, very straightforward consumer protection law that's well advertised - they'll find themselves losing a lot of money and even more good will if they try this sort of crap here.

[Cobra]

http://gameranx.com/updates/id/65926/article/how-to-get-a-refund-in-star-citizen/

Wow. That link has the full version of the email that Cobra got and... damn. That's some egregious ****. IANAL, but I am studying contract law at the moment. That letter is written purely to obfuscate and guilt trip people. The idea that they can't refund because they don't have your specific dollars sitting in a bank account is so ludicrousthat it can't possibly have been inserted for any purpose other than to confuse people. When you call upon a refund you're entitled to, you create a brand new liability for the merchant. It doesn't matter where your money is - they have a new debt to you, and they're obligated to pay it just as they would be any other debt.

I hope they aren't pulling this same **** here in Australia. We have very strong, very straightforward consumer protection law that's well advertised - they'll find themselves losing a lot of money and even more good will if they try this sort of crap here.

They're pulling it withe everyone. Problem is is that anyone who buys **** from CIG now is screwed because they've been periodically rewriting their TOS, closing gaps in it that allowed people refunds.

[Cobra]

Woo!

Following a review of your request, we have decided at our discretion to refund your account. When this process is complete your account will be permanently closed.

We will now research your activity and refund eligibility for pledges which are present on this account.

Purchase types that are non-refundable include physical goods which have been fulfilled, event tickets, and subscriptions.

If you have received pledge items from third parties as gifts in excess of your actual account spend, we can, at your option, return those to the account which gifted the pledge to you, however those pledges are not refundable to you because you did not pay for them yourself.

Some pledges may no longer be refundable through their original payment methods, and therefore before proceeding with this process we will need your PayPal details to action the refund.

Upon confirmation from you of your PayPal details, we will begin the research process and at that time your account will be made inactive permanently, including your email address and handle on our system.

[karajorma]

They're pulling it withe everyone. Problem is is that anyone who buys **** from CIG now is screwed because they've been periodically rewriting their TOS, closing gaps in it that allowed people refunds.

Technically when they do that, you should just click that you don't agree and tell them you want your money back. Either that or send them a new contract which you have changed making you God Emperor of the Universe and expecting them to pay for it.

[Spoon]

Woo!

Following a review of your request, we have decided at our discretion to refund your account. When this process is complete your account will be permanently closed.

We will now research your activity and refund eligibility for pledges which are present on this account.

Purchase types that are non-refundable include physical goods which have been fulfilled, event tickets, and subscriptions.

If you have received pledge items from third parties as gifts in excess of your actual account spend, we can, at your option, return those to the account which gifted the pledge to you, however those pledges are not refundable to you because you did not pay for them yourself.

Some pledges may no longer be refundable through their original payment methods, and therefore before proceeding with this process we will need your PayPal details to action the refund.

Upon confirmation from you of your PayPal details, we will begin the research process and at that time your account will be made inactive permanently, including your email address and handle on our system.

[CT27]

What exactly will we be getting with Squadron 42 (the secondary project CR is working on)?

[Cobra]

Do you not know what Google is?

It's the singleplayer component of the Star Citizen project. Full of big Hollywood names and ****.

[CT27]

Sorry for asking a question. 

I was trying to figure out if people thought it was being as poorly managed as SC.

[Scotty]

It... is part of SC, so.... by definition yes?